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| BRAVE_HELIOS |
 Mar 28 2011, 05:30 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens"  Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest  |
The engine came to life! It was an awesome sound! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Unfortunatley, the only way I got it to fire up, was to run a wire directly from the battery to the BATT terminal of the HEI. The Renegade Kit Instructions say to cut all the wires located on the front side of the relay board and use the black with red tracer wire to energize the HEI. I went a step further and actually removed the relay board with the original engine and EFI, then sold it all to a local VW guy. Well, the black/red wire that was left and that I spliced into shows no voltage... key on or key off. Did I mess up? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) What's the best fix? I see 2 black/red wires going into/out-of the relay board. I don't have the wiring diagram here with me, but I think 1 wire goes to the ignition coil and the other wire goes to the fuel pump (1971). Please Help! |
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| SLITS |
Mar 28 2011, 05:39 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
If you still have the 14 pin connector on the end of the main body harness, then look for the wire on pin 8.
or turn key on and check with a vom for voltage on both black w/ red trace wires. |
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| messix |
Mar 28 2011, 05:51 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
use that switched wire from the hareness to activate a relay, then run a 12g wire from the bat to the relay then to the hei. those pull alot of current.
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| BRAVE_HELIOS |
Mar 28 2011, 05:58 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(SLITS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:39 PM)  If you still have the 14 pin connector on the end of the main body harness, then look for the wire on pin 8. or turn key on and check with a vom for voltage on both black w/ red trace wires. The connectors and board were sold with the engine. The way I understood the instructions, I didn't think I would need the board or pin connectors any longer, and that I would just splice the black/red wire that was cut from the front side of the relay board. The more I look at the relay board diagram, the more I think that I should have kept it and spliced into the board side of the black/red wire! Damn it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) |
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| computers4kids |
Mar 28 2011, 06:04 PM
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Love these little cars! Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Port Townsend, WA Member No.: 4,253 Region Association: None |
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| BRAVE_HELIOS |
Mar 28 2011, 06:06 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 05:51 PM) use that switched wire from the hareness to activate a relay, then run a 12g wire from the bat to the relay then to the hei. those pull alot of current. Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Do you know which wire that switched wire might be? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The black/red wire appears to be dead. Is there another wire that I can use? |
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| SirAndy |
Mar 28 2011, 06:10 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,636 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 04:30 PM) The Renegade Kit Instructions say to cut all the wires located on the front side of the relay board (IMG:style_emoticons/default/new_shocked.gif) Seriously? They actually tell you to just cut a whole wire loom and let it dangle there? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| BRAVE_HELIOS |
Mar 28 2011, 06:16 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(computers4kids @ Mar 28 2011, 06:04 PM) I'm going to have to take a closer look. I thought all the white wires went away with the relay board. The oil pressure gauge is a mechanical unit with copper tubing and water temp gauge gets its power from an eighty amp Continuous Duty solenoid I installed (solenoid also runs a few other small draw items). |
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| BRAVE_HELIOS |
Mar 28 2011, 06:19 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 28 2011, 06:10 PM) QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 04:30 PM) The Renegade Kit Instructions say to cut all the wires located on the front side of the relay board (IMG:style_emoticons/default/new_shocked.gif) Seriously? They actually tell you to just cut a whole wire loom and let it dangle there? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Yup. I'll have to scan the page and show you. It does say to cut the wires... does not say to remove relay board or which end of the cut black/red wire to splice to! |
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| messix |
Mar 28 2011, 06:20 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:06 PM) QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 05:51 PM) use that switched wire from the hareness to activate a relay, then run a 12g wire from the bat to the relay then to the hei. those pull alot of current. Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Do you know which wire that switched wire might be? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The black/red wire appears to be dead. Is there another wire that I can use? do you have a volt ohm meter? get one you will be a better person with it! if not do you have a test light? if not you are a complete waiste of human flesh! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) you will need to find with the volt meter or a test light a wire that has 12v on when the key is on the run position and goes to no valtage when the key is off, sorry i can not tell you which wire that is. ... learn to fish.... |
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| messix |
Mar 28 2011, 06:24 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:16 PM) QUOTE(computers4kids @ Mar 28 2011, 06:04 PM) I'm going to have to take a closer look. I thought all the white wires went away with the relay board. The oil pressure gauge is a mechanical unit with copper tubing and water temp gauge gets its power from an eighty amp Continuous Duty solenoid I installed (solenoid also runs a few other small draw items). hummmmm! is this run from a switched source [key in the run position]? use that relay to run the coil..... |
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| BRAVE_HELIOS |
Mar 28 2011, 06:27 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 06:20 PM) QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:06 PM) QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 05:51 PM) use that switched wire from the hareness to activate a relay, then run a 12g wire from the bat to the relay then to the hei. those pull alot of current. Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Do you know which wire that switched wire might be? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The black/red wire appears to be dead. Is there another wire that I can use? do you have a volt ohm meter? get one you will be a better person with it! if not do you have a test light? if not you are a complete waiste of human flesh! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) you will need to find with the volt meter or a test light a wire that has 12v on when the key is on the run position and goes to no valtage when the key is off, sorry i can not tell you which wire that is. ... learn to fish.... All right! The seach goes on! I've been using a test light... time to break out the ol' multi-meter and have at it! |
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| messix |
Mar 28 2011, 06:29 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:27 PM) QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 06:20 PM) QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:06 PM) QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 05:51 PM) use that switched wire from the hareness to activate a relay, then run a 12g wire from the bat to the relay then to the hei. those pull alot of current. Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Do you know which wire that switched wire might be? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The black/red wire appears to be dead. Is there another wire that I can use? do you have a volt ohm meter? get one you will be a better person with it! if not do you have a test light? if not you are a complete waiste of human flesh! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) you will need to find with the volt meter or a test light a wire that has 12v on when the key is on the run position and goes to no valtage when the key is off, sorry i can not tell you which wire that is. ... learn to fish.... All right! The seach goes on! I've been using a test light... time to break out the ol' multi-meter and have at it! turn the key on dummy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) |
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| BRAVE_HELIOS |
Mar 28 2011, 06:41 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 06:29 PM) QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:27 PM) QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 06:20 PM) QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:06 PM) QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 05:51 PM) use that switched wire from the hareness to activate a relay, then run a 12g wire from the bat to the relay then to the hei. those pull alot of current. Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Do you know which wire that switched wire might be? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The black/red wire appears to be dead. Is there another wire that I can use? do you have a volt ohm meter? get one you will be a better person with it! if not do you have a test light? if not you are a complete waiste of human flesh! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) you will need to find with the volt meter or a test light a wire that has 12v on when the key is on the run position and goes to no valtage when the key is off, sorry i can not tell you which wire that is. ... learn to fish.... All right! The seach goes on! I've been using a test light... time to break out the ol' multi-meter and have at it! turn the key on dummy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Gee, did I connect the battery before trying to figure this out? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) |
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| messix |
Mar 28 2011, 06:49 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:41 PM) QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 06:29 PM) QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:27 PM) QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 06:20 PM) QUOTE(BRAVE_HELIOS @ Mar 28 2011, 05:06 PM) QUOTE(messix @ Mar 28 2011, 05:51 PM) use that switched wire from the hareness to activate a relay, then run a 12g wire from the bat to the relay then to the hei. those pull alot of current. Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Do you know which wire that switched wire might be? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The black/red wire appears to be dead. Is there another wire that I can use? do you have a volt ohm meter? get one you will be a better person with it! if not do you have a test light? if not you are a complete waiste of human flesh! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) you will need to find with the volt meter or a test light a wire that has 12v on when the key is on the run position and goes to no valtage when the key is off, sorry i can not tell you which wire that is. ... learn to fish.... All right! The seach goes on! I've been using a test light... time to break out the ol' multi-meter and have at it! turn the key on dummy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Gee, did I connect the battery before trying to figure this out? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) take the blonde stripper wig off! |
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| BRAVE_HELIOS |
Mar 28 2011, 07:32 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Any other suggestions?
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| jmmotorsports |
Mar 28 2011, 07:35 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 308 Joined: 15-August 06 From: Kelso,Wa. Member No.: 6,658 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
The wire diagram pictured is a Renegade harness that is used in place of the relay board. If you don't want to use the relay board get one of these harness from Renegade. It will make things a lot easier, everything will work the way it is supposed to.
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| BRAVE_HELIOS |
Mar 28 2011, 07:45 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(jmmotorsports @ Mar 28 2011, 07:35 PM) The wire diagram pictured is a Renegade harness that is used in place of the relay board. If you don't want to use the relay board get one of these harness from Renegade. It will make things a lot easier, everything will work the way it is supposed to. Jerry Hmm, do you mean diagram pictured above by computer4kids? |
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| computers4kids |
Mar 28 2011, 07:47 PM
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Love these little cars! Group: Members Posts: 2,443 Joined: 11-June 05 From: Port Townsend, WA Member No.: 4,253 Region Association: None |
Remove relay board. Renegade harness plugs directly into car harness left behind from removal of relay board. No cutting whatsover.
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| BRAVE_HELIOS |
Mar 28 2011, 07:49 PM
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"Knowledge speaks, wisdom listens" Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 25-September 06 From: The Land Of ID! Member No.: 6,920 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(computers4kids @ Mar 28 2011, 07:47 PM) Remove relay board. Renegade harness plugs directly into car harness left behind from removal of relay board. No cutting whatsover. About how much $ or is it $$$? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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