OT: Big Brother is on his way, Whats next? Options

[StratPlayer]

Had more freedom when I was a kid than I do now. What the hell is going on in this country.

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[wheelo]

Thanks Strat-Player,
Sad-but-true... all the more reason for people to get-out and VOTE! Our own apathy is what gives these retarded political footballs a chance to score! The smog-bills here in Calif. are a nother example...
I say... give 'em the BOOT... come election-time !!!
IMHO (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)

PS- I play a Dean, a Strat, and Yamaha, Rock-On ...

[seanery]

petition signed.

[scottb]

done.

and forwarded to everyone in the addy book.

damn i hate politicians.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fighting19.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif)

[mikester]

Of course I'm against this whole idea - it woudl be like banning everything that has ever been used as a weapon.

Pillows, power tools, kitchen knives, etc...

But has anyone been able to find anything within the last 2 years regarding anything related to this bill? Does it still exist? The last thing I'm able to find is April 2002 - so I'm not sure this thing is even still alive.

[aircooledboy]

Boys, I got news for ya. If this gets your undies in a bundle, there are things in the "Patriot Act" that would make you skin crawl. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/barf.gif) I do a fair amount of Federal work in my law practice, never had anything to do with a terrorist as far as I know, yet provisions of the "Patriot Act" are being used to hose 2 clients right now. Hell, as far as I can tell, one of the guys is in custody for possessing entirely legal guns, but having written down some anti-democratic party ideas on a piece of paper that never left his apartment or was spoken about to ANYONE. And the feds don't have to tell me much else "for reasons of national security" (read "Patriot Act"). Kid has never broken a law in his life and he is in FEDERAL CUSTODY.

Rant over.
I do feel a little better, but I figure the chances that the feds are monitoring my computer since I represent this kid are pretty high (as allowed by. . . . . wait for it . . . . . yes, THE PATRIOT ACT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/finger.gif) :finger2: ), I should shut the fuck up now.

[GWN7]

George Orwell was right.......

Next the thought police will be coming for you......

[SpecialK]

got my signature!

I heard on the news this morning that St. Louis (I think all of Missouri) is talking about repealling the "Clean Air Act" that requires Missouri motorists to have emissions tests. They said that since 97% of vehicles pass the tests regularly, it's a burden on poorer population, and that motorcycles and certain trucks (the main polluters they insist)are exempt then there's no sense in continued testing.

I'll have to look in the newspaper to confirm this, but if it's true..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

Finally, a step in the right direction!

[TheCabinetmaker]

Hmm, makes me glad I'm an old fart and probably won't live to see this shit(I hope), but feel bad for my great gandkids, and the kids they'll have someday. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

K, Okla. got rid of all inspections two years ago. maybe a step in the right direction, but then, we got no stinking smog!!!!!

[MattR]

Next thing you know, they'll be banning paper, becuase people can use paper to write ideas to overthrow the government.

While they're at it, why not just create ministries that deal with different segments of the population to unify the government power. If you dont follow these rules... well you have to read the book to find out.

[Gint]

I didn't spend more than 30 seconds reading that before I signed it.

[swood]

Next the thought police will be coming for you......

Hmmm...I bet that's what happenned to redshift! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) In the clink for naughty thoughts!

[Hawktel]

Yeah, I'd vote for a reasonable, middle of the road, canidate that opposes outsourcing and the Patriot act, and supports gun rights, strip bars, and Woman's Rights.

But, I don't know where to find any of them.

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[skline]

Just one more of "The rich get richer and poor get poorer" schemes.

[fiid]

The Patriot act and the Guantanamo stuff is really dodgy, but so are a lot of things that the current administration is up to. If you think Bush is pro-freedom, pro-free market and doing a good economic job of running the country - think again.

The emmissions stuff is interesting too - it's all set up to make the air more breathable, not to do all that much for the planet. They estimated that if California trashed EVERY car and replaced it with a new Ford Expedition it would reduce these kinds of emmissions by 80%.

Someone recently forwarded this to me. I'm not saying it's all correct but it's certainly food for thought...

I attacked and took over 2 countries.

I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury.

I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not
easy!).

I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12
month period.

I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock
market.

I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on
vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over
the worst security  failure in US history.

I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in
US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other
president in US history.

I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month
period.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in US history.

I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since
the advent of TV.

I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any
other US president in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.

I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take
to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for
protest against any person in the history of mankind.

I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US
history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
(The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker
named after her.)

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the  Union
simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in
any country in the history of the world.

I am the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military
occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the
United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.

I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history
of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security"(only one
letter away from BS).

I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases,
more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I
did it!!).

I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove
the US from the Human Rights Commission.

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove
the US from the Elections  Monitoring Board.

I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew from the World
Court of Law.

I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default
no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.

I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign
donations.

The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best
friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in

world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.

I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and
then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year
made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest
diplomatic failure in US and world history).

I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of
Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and
stability.

I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded  government
contracts.

I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who
violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations
bidding for gov't contracts.

I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any
other president in US history.

I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than
two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in
Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of
war.

I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
(wink,wink)

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my
fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public  view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt
companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the
board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public
energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

Take back the country and make it great again. Get out and vote.

[RON S.]

Yes fellas big brother is growing ever bigger.
One day,there'll be so many laws that to wake up in the morning,one will be broken before your feet has a chance to hit the floor.
It doesn't matter which party anymore is in the house.Their both squeezing us all in there fist.
It mostly comes down to all the apathy in people over the years toward getting involved in issues.It is sad that most people I know have no deeper understanding of issues.Their feelings on current events come from what Dan Blather or Tom Lockjaw tell them they should be.
If you get info from alternitive sources,a whole world begins to dawn in front of you.
You begin to see the forest & the trees together.
Then one realizes just how far off course things have gotten,AND just who has sent us there.
Ron

[mike_the_man]

You guys need to all move to Canada. And bring your teeners! We're all real friendly here! In Saskatchewan, now that my car is 30 years old it doesn't have to pass any type of inspection, we have no smog tests here. Lots of space, free health care. Cheap housing. It's pretty good! The only bad things are -40C winters, and it's damn near impossible to own a gun. Ah, and our beer is better!!!

From the sounds of it, things are getting a little screwy in the U.S. I wouldn't even consider moving there till Bush is out.

Canada rocks, mostly!

[mikester]

I'm am far from being a Bush supporter, I didn't like his dad and I don't like him. I lived under his Brother in Florida for a while.

Comments...
The emmissions stuff is interesting too - it's all set up to make the air more breathable, not to do all that much for the planet. They estimated that if California trashed EVERY car and replaced it with a new Ford Expedition it would reduce these kinds of emmissions by 80%.

-Who is "they" please?

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

-Completely false - Florida for one is running a extremely large Surplus. Jeb will run for president - bet on it.

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

- If it's a "Secret shadow" how do you know about it?

I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of
war.

-Conclusion based on circumstantial evidence.

I do agree though - get out and Vote! Take back your country.

[MattR]

I think, unfortunatly, as long as we have a two party system we are going to have trouble. I dont think Kerry's huge budget will help the economy. Honestly, I think the next 4 years are gonig to suck no matter who wins. It would probably be better for Kerry to win, pull our boys out of Iraq, and wait 4 years for a true conservative to run that might make some things right. McClintock on '08!

[72914S]

register and vote. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) not for kerry or bush just wish ross were running again