Short Shifters, Rennshift or Much Cheaper Weltmeister |
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Short Shifters, Rennshift or Much Cheaper Weltmeister |
jporsche914 |
May 9 2004, 05:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 149 Joined: 9-March 04 From: colorado, springs Member No.: 1,769 |
I have a 1972 1.7L 914 and i want a shorter more direct throw. I have been reading a couple of posts about the rennshift. It seems to be a great shifter for the 914 but it is a bit pricey compared to the Weltmeister short shift kit. Would the cheaper Weltmeister shifter still feel better than stock with all the bushing replaced?? They say that the throw is reduced 30 percent which is the same as the rennshift. Do you guys think it is worth going with the Rennshifter or do you think i would be happier with the Weltmeister shifter.
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nebreitling |
May 9 2004, 05:44 PM
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Member Emeritus Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-March 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 478 |
how does your car shift right now? slowly, i presume, but is it really tight, no slop?
if it's sloppy now, it will get worse w/ the weltmeister. |
jporsche914 |
May 9 2004, 05:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 149 Joined: 9-March 04 From: colorado, springs Member No.: 1,769 |
It is sloppy and hard to find the gears.
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jporsche914 |
May 9 2004, 05:50 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 149 Joined: 9-March 04 From: colorado, springs Member No.: 1,769 |
Why would the rennshift make the shifting more direct??
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campbellcj |
May 9 2004, 05:53 PM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,547 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California |
FWIW I hated the Weltmeister unit. They severely shortened the lever itself, and it was hard for me to reach 4th gear without lifting my shoulder off the seat and reaching forward.
The Welt product is basically just a new lever and a spacer plate to correct the geometry with the stock housing. The Rennshifter is a complete replacement with multiple throw-reduction, spring stiffness, and appearance/finish options. Apples and oranges... |
ein 6er |
May 9 2004, 05:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,115 Joined: 11-February 03 Member No.: 300 Region Association: None |
i had the welt kit on my tail shifter when i bought it. i wasn't very impressed with it. even after replacing all the bushings. i went back to the stock shifter. i also replaced the 2 bushings and spring that are inside the shift housing. with that and the stronger welt springs and a new reverse lockout plate it shifts pretty good now. but i'll be getting the rennshifter soon.
really i don't think there is any comparison between the 2. the rennshifter is in a whole nother class. |
ChrisReale |
May 9 2004, 06:27 PM
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Sleazy Group: Members Posts: 2,665 Joined: 20-January 03 From: San Francisco Member No.: 176 |
The Rennshift is like a jewel. It is engineered very well, is made very well, and is made by a club member. That makes it better. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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lapuwali |
May 9 2004, 06:31 PM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
Another vote against the Weltmeister. I had one in my tailshifting car when I bought it, and found it made just pulling it into first gear a real bear against the centering springs with a lever that was shorter and thus farther away from me. I sourced a stock lever and fit that, with new bushings front to back. I find this quite acceptable for now. I'd keep the stock shifter and replace ALL of the bushings in your linkage before spending any money on any shifter. You need to so this, anyway, even if you decided to go for the Rennshift. You may find just rebushing is enough for you.
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URY914 |
May 9 2004, 06:50 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,968 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
If you study the way the stock shifter is designed, the pivot piece wears on the top plate which is sheet metal. It can't be rebuilt without replacing. It may have been fine for ten-fifteen years but by now that metal is paper thin and adds to the slop in the lever.
Go with the Rennshift. Paul (BTW, this is post #2000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) ) |
airsix |
May 9 2004, 07:17 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
The condition of your motor/tranny mounts will also affect your shifting to a large degree. If you have old worn mounts replace them with 911 sport mounts. New tranny mounts improved my shifting more than new shift bushings did.
-Ben M. |
MattR |
May 9 2004, 07:27 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,279 Joined: 23-January 04 From: SF Bay Area Member No.: 1,589 Region Association: Northern California |
I see a lot of people complaining about the tailshifter and weltmeister combo, but are there are thoughts on a side shift and weltmeister? I know personally I dont have 400 bucks to drop on a shifter. My budget is nearing its max with the engine and suspension pieces picked out.
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weird_looking_cactus |
May 9 2004, 07:45 PM
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Cactus Group: Members Posts: 225 Joined: 16-February 04 From: St, George UT Member No.: 1,660 |
Is there any way to help side shifters out. Its driving me crazy trying to drive my car around town hitting other gears all the time. I think all the time why the heck I buy this car. One of the reasons is not how good it shifts I have replaced the bushings and adjusted the shifter rod many many times trying to find a good spot just can't seen to do it.
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ArtechnikA |
May 9 2004, 07:51 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
there was no such thing as a WeltMeister the last time i drove my 914.
but there were short-shift kits, and i've used a couple. the first i put into my 914,6, which as you probably know, uses a completely different linkage. i thought it was fine, except for occasionally trying to upshift from 2nd to 3rd and getting 5th on hard (track conditions...) right hand turns. at that time, our only choices were solid (aluminum) transmission mounts, which everyone said were for race cars only, and OEM mounts. we have many other choices now... i put that same short-shifter into a tailshift 914.4 and thought it worked fine there too; it had 'more' miles but still not a huge number. the WeltMeister shifter is not -that- expensive, and if youve already replaced ALL the bushings and ALL the engine and transmission mounts and you still don't like the shifting, it might work for you, although i gather from the other comments in this thread that it's not -just- a travel-reducing ball and you may not like whatever else it does. i have a RennShift in my early 911, along with all-new bushings, solid engine mounts (Club Sport transmission mounts just as soon as i can swap the transmission carrier...) and a Stomski shift coupler. the 911 shift mechanism is just about as direct as you can get - the rod from the shifter goes directly to the nose cone. the RennShift transformed the car; i think it's wonderful. transforms the car, and i still need to do a bit of fine adjustment from when i uprated to the aluminum stick. IMO, it's a good value, but it -is- a lot of money, no question. for no money at all, you can try to learn to make the best of what you've got. for the price of a WeltMeister, you might like what it does for you and it could buy you some time, and you can always resell the WeltMeister part at a swap meet or something when you're ready to upgrade, so it won't be a total loss. the RennShift is, tho, IMHO, the untimate, right solution. but we all make price/performance tradeoffs in our cars, i'm no exception. do what you have to now, and do what you want when you can. |
EdwardBlume |
May 9 2004, 10:01 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 12,338 Joined: 2-January 03 From: SLO Member No.: 81 Region Association: Central California |
Rennshift.
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J P Stein |
May 9 2004, 10:21 PM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
The welt short shifter works good for me (side shifter).....tho, like Chris, I hated the long reach......but I had a (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) ....so much for that problem. I like it. The rennshift is nice......but not real high on my priority list.
If your trans, linkage, bushings,yada, are shot, the short shifter will make it worser. |
anthony |
May 9 2004, 10:31 PM
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2270 club Group: Benefactors Posts: 3,107 Joined: 1-February 03 From: SF Bay Area, CA Member No.: 218 |
QUOTE My budget is nearing its max Then don't even bother with a short shifter? My car shifts great with the stock shifter. |
SirAndy |
May 9 2004, 11:37 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,669 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
i run the stock shifter (sideshift) with all new bushings and it feels tight.
i will go RennShift eventually, however ... one thing to consider, if your car was originally a tailshifter, make sure you got the right adaptor bushing for the firewall! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Andy |
VegasRacer |
May 10 2004, 02:37 AM
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ELVIRA Group: Benefactors Posts: 8,523 Joined: 27-March 03 From: Between Scylla and Charybdis Member No.: 481 Region Association: None |
I had a short shift kit in my car before.
I thought it was an OK improvement. I now have the RennShift. It is FANTASTIC. I say save your money and get a RennShift. |
airsix |
May 10 2004, 10:58 AM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
I'll say this again with slightly different wording:
Your 914 will NEVER shift well if the engine/tranny are flopping around. Replace worn old tranny/engine mounts! -Ben M. ps - jporsche914 - I snort a laugh every time I see your "homo" avatar. That cracks me up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
914werke |
May 10 2004, 12:28 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,120 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Looking at the responses it seems that most of the applications were on Tail-shifters and obviously the Oldest of our cars. Logically unless the owners went through and replaced ALL the suspected wear items (bushings and shifter components) the Welt. kit wont not make the dramaitic implovements that might be anticipated?
I installed one on my 73 side shifter after intalling a rebuilt 2.0. I replaced the motor and trans mounts as well as all the shifter & shift Rod bushings. It was and is a MAJOR improvement. over the 30 yr old crap. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif) and cost $80 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif) Trust me Im not trying to disparage James product in fact I bought one (thanks James!) just trying to point out as I think others have done that it just one piece of the puzzle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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