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> need to hear the voices of experience..., i am all ears.
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post Jun 13 2004, 07:44 AM
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i'd like to hear from some experienced drivers out there about this oil screen gasket swap. finally got around to doing it (it does indeed catch some nasty stuff), but the whole business of torquing it down had me pretty nervous. haynes says 9.4 ft.lbs, and i have it as close to that as i can comfortably go now. the problem is that there is a tiny leak, indicated by the occasional drop of oil seeping out and oozing over to the side and accumulating until it drops off. about a drop every 3-5 minutes. now, my engine has always been wet, so is this a big deal? should i re-do the whole thing? should i try to torque it a bit more? or do the new gaskets just need time to fill in?

thanks ahead of time for the valuable advice that is en route, like always. (yes, i tries asking this question as a reply to an different thread, but got no response)
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post Jun 13 2004, 09:08 AM
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Well I guess it should not leak...
I've done the gaskets a couple of times, did you use the two gaskets? one between engine block and screen one between screen and coverplate. did you also install a new crush washer?
Maybe if seating area on the engine is badly scored/dented it might leak... but otherwise it shouldn't
that's about all there is to is AFAIK...

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post Jun 13 2004, 09:28 AM
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Shane, the bottom gasket can slip sideways when installing. If it does, it will leak.
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post Jun 13 2004, 11:26 AM
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hm... slip sideways. it looked straight, but i can go and recheck, and possibly re-do it.

what about the torque settings? 9.4 is pretty precise, and the craftsman torque wrench i am using makes it tough to be that accurate. is 10 cool? or so i risk catastrophe after 9.4?
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post Jun 13 2004, 11:55 AM
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No one wants to be the cause of you to screw your block, so I'm not gonna tell ya ten is oaky. If mine leaks, I give it a slight twist of the wrench. If it stops great, if not, I do it again. Maybe someone else here has an opinion?
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post Jun 13 2004, 11:57 AM
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Opps, when I say "do it again", I mean remove and replace the gaskets, not give it another twist of the wrench.
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post Jun 13 2004, 11:59 AM
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crap! i just stripped off my engine case curt. now he tells me (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Jun 13 2004, 12:04 PM
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Not funny Aaron! I'd hate it if he was mislead by my poor english composition abilities (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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lol - his tragedy would be on your hands! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Yack.gif) lol
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post Jun 13 2004, 12:09 PM
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Ouch!
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post Jun 13 2004, 12:12 PM
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Torque it to the factory value and you'll have no problems... As its tightened tap the nut with a hammer to settle it and retorque.
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post Jun 13 2004, 12:17 PM
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That is as experienced a voice as your gonna find.
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post Jun 13 2004, 12:27 PM
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thanks for all the advice. and Curt, i did not read your post as to say to 'twist the wrench;' your english is fine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Jake, i will try to tap the nut, though the seepage appears to be coming around the gasket, and only in one area. sound like a slipped gasket?

now to figure out how to catch all that nice, clean oil for refilling after redoing the gaskets. i am glad i found about this screen deal; the inner part of the retaining plate was well coated with some vile sludge.

i will try to get back with some results of my new attempts. thanks again for the scoop.
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post Jun 13 2004, 12:32 PM
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well... oil is really cheap. so id recommend new oil (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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How is the sealing surface on the case? Any gouges from people with screwdrivers?
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post Jun 13 2004, 02:29 PM
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sealing surface was pretty smooth and clean. and the torque is as close to 9.4 as i can get it with the craftsman torque wrench (reading the needle at the end of the bar with increments of 5 ft/lbs denoted on the graph). as it is, the seepage is not very bad; wet spot on the garage floor isn't much worse than normal. does it take a bit of time, or a drive, before the gaskets settle in?

got distracted by family stuff. now off to try some of the stuff mentioned. i will check back for more words of wisdom. couldn't have this car, and keep it running, without this board. thanks again. oh, and Jake; Semper Fi.
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post Jun 13 2004, 06:13 PM
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Hey, now that the party is over and everyones gone home, let me add my $.02. I bought an 2.0 out of the Recycler. Not trusting it any further than I could thow it, I took it apart. The PO had overtorqued that nut. The case was cracked inside, pulling the web for the cam bearing askew. Engine was toast. Careful with that thing!
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post Jun 13 2004, 06:19 PM
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whoa, i'd like to avoid that if i can. actually, i think the gaskets needed time to do something, because checking it again this afternoon, it seemed straight, and it only showed about 7 on the torque wrench. no, carefully easing that up close to 9.4, it is no wetter than it ever was before the operation. for now we call it success, though i believe i am a bit more prepared for next time.

as always, thanks for all the information.
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