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> Idle adjustment screw for D jet, How many turns before idle should change?
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post Jun 21 2011, 10:09 AM
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I was helping Matteyp tune his car last night and it's the first time I have worked on a fuel injected engine. We got the dwell set and the engine timed with the light, it's running better but when I tried to adjust the idle speed the adjustment screw didn't seem to affect the idle speed I gave it two full turns in each directions. My questions is how sensitive should this adjustment be?

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post Jun 21 2011, 10:13 AM
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its an air bypass screw and its sensitive.
If it does nothing then you may have a vacuum leak, or several, or the TPS may be adjust wrong...or timing is off.

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post Jun 21 2011, 10:51 AM
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James did we have that vacuum line plugged when you were adjusting that screw?
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post Jun 21 2011, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(matteyp @ Jun 21 2011, 09:51 AM) *

James did we have that vacuum line plugged when you were adjusting that screw?


Yes, it was plugged, after we adjusted the timing I placed it back on. The last time we ran the motor I tried adjusting it. After you get the valve cover gaskets replaced I can come back over and we can try to dial it in a little better.

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post Jun 21 2011, 11:12 AM
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It's very sensitive.
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post Jun 21 2011, 11:14 AM
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what did you set the dwell to?
How did you set the timing?

How is the the action on the advance plates inside the distributor and does the vacuum advance canister hold a vacuum?
Do the plates move freely or get stuck in any position?

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post Jun 21 2011, 11:59 AM
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I adjusted my idle up last weekend, did it when the engine was warm, very little turn on the screw to take idle from 600 to 900/950. Maybe 5 degrees of a turn, very sensitive, but yes all the little vacumn leaks add up, make sure you address those before anything else.

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......vacuum leak?.....it is sensative! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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post Jun 21 2011, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE(windforfun @ Jun 21 2011, 01:12 PM) *

It's very sensitive.



QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 21 2011, 01:14 PM) *

what did you set the dwell to?
How did you set the timing?

How is the the action on the advance plates inside the distributor and does the vacuum advance canister hold a vacuum?
Do the plates move freely or get stuck in any position?

Rich


I had no idea what the screw did to affect idle until I came across a diagram. If I understand it correctly, the screw changes the effective size the throttle chamber -- it looks like an adjustable carburetor throat. So, if turning the screw doesn't do anything either the motor's not in tune or there air leaking in somewhere.

I was told and recently learned first hand, that making sure the valves, time and dwell are in spec makes troubleshooting the rest of the fuel system so much easier.
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Also, with the breather off you should be able to hear the difference as the sound gets louder and quiter with changes in setting. It's like a whistle. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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post Jun 22 2011, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 21 2011, 10:14 AM) *

what did you set the dwell to?
How did you set the timing?

How is the the action on the advance plates inside the distributor and does the vacuum advance canister hold a vacuum?
Do the plates move freely or get stuck in any position?

Rich


Dwell set at 44, timing at 3500 RPM on 28 degree mark. The engine idled much better, but we weren't able to get it to come down it's idling at 1000 to 1100 rpms. I think there may be some vacuum leak issues and possibly an exhaust leak he was getting a little bit of back firing or popping happening. He also has an oil leak from the valve cover gasket we could only run the car for about ten minutes before it would begin to smoke up the garage. The vac advance plates seem to be moving O.K.

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post Jun 22 2011, 10:21 AM
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48-52 is the dwell range....48 is the sweet spot.
52 is the acceptable tolerance, so shoot for 48

As the points get corroded the dwell increases because the gap actually gets smaller as the corrosion builds up over time.

Do look at the vacuum canister and try to set the idle with the hoses removed from the distributor and hoses plugged.

When I look for a vacuum leak I remove all hoses from the plenum except the MPS.
I cap all the hoses at the plenum with either rubber vacuum caps , or electrical tape.
I remove ALL systems.
Then set the idle.
After that...add ONE line at a time and retest.

You may find that your AARis leaking, the decel valve is leaking etc etc....

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1.7 liter 3500 rpm@ 27 deg BTDC
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post Jun 22 2011, 07:49 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 22 2011, 09:21 AM) *

48-52 is the dwell range....48 is the sweet spot.
52 is the acceptable tolerance, so shoot for 48

As the points get corroded the dwell increases because the gap actually gets smaller as the corrosion builds up over time.

Do look at the vacuum canister and try to set the idle with the hoses removed from the distributor and hoses plugged.

When I look for a vacuum leak I remove all hoses from the plenum except the MPS.
I cap all the hoses at the plenum with either rubber vacuum caps , or electrical tape.
I remove ALL systems.
Then set the idle.
After that...add ONE line at a time and retest.

You may find that your AARis leaking, the decel valve is leaking etc etc....

Rich


Actually, the dwell spec is 47 +/- 3 degrees. 52 is far too high, meaning the point gap would be too small. Setting them that way means they'll close up even more, and your dwell might end up around 60.

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post Jun 22 2011, 08:01 PM
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So happy you get up each day so you can ensure you find any thread I post in and make your points, and 40 years of experience, well known.
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post Jun 22 2011, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 22 2011, 09:21 AM) *

48-52 is the dwell range....48 is the sweet spot.
52 is the acceptable tolerance, so shoot for 48

As the points get corroded the dwell increases because the gap actually gets smaller as the corrosion builds up over time.

Do look at the vacuum canister and try to set the idle with the hoses removed from the distributor and hoses plugged.

When I look for a vacuum leak I remove all hoses from the plenum except the MPS.
I cap all the hoses at the plenum with either rubber vacuum caps , or electrical tape.
I remove ALL systems.
Then set the idle.
After that...add ONE line at a time and retest.

You may find that your AARis leaking, the decel valve is leaking etc etc....

Rich

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) You taught me that over a year ago. It's worked twice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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