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| trev0006 |
 Jun 23 2011, 10:21 AM
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| zymurgist |
Jun 23 2011, 10:58 AM
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"Ace" Mechanic Group: Members Posts: 7,411 Joined: 9-June 05 From: Hagerstown, MD Member No.: 4,238 Region Association: None |
Apparently you get what you pay for.
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| stewteral |
Jun 23 2011, 11:03 AM
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Old Member Group: Members Posts: 384 Joined: 4-December 07 From: Camarillo, CA Member No.: 8,424 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(trev0006 @ Jun 23 2011, 09:21 AM)  While fun to watch and more fun to do the driving, this video proves NOTHING about Mid vs. Rear engine handling superiority. The test does prove that after 60 years, Porsche has developed the chassis on the 911 design to a very high level, virtually eliminating the tendency to oversteer. My point is that it is all too simplistic. The car with bigger tires and a better developed chassis beats another car with far less development. The issue is chassis development, not engine placement. IMHO, Terry |
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| scotty b |
Jun 23 2011, 11:05 AM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
Do it over with a 1970 914-6 and a 1970 911 and lets see what happens. Traction control makes a BIG difference in modern 911's (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif)
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| Tom_T |
Jun 23 2011, 11:07 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California 
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It also helps to grossly mis-match the cars on engine/drivetrain in addition to tires. At the end of the magazine article they do say that if equally matched Boxster/Cayman to lower-end 911, the former middies would win hands-down! ... so why not test it that way!!?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) |
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| Joe Ricard |
Jun 23 2011, 11:11 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Conversely the Boxster S likes to push the front end when getting near the edge.
Only way to fix it is to super size the front tires and remove grip from the back tires. |
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| thelogo |
Jun 23 2011, 11:17 AM
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anybody know the horse power
descrepency between these two ? ? |
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| Drums66 |
Jun 23 2011, 11:24 AM
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914 Rudiments Group: Members Posts: 5,321 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Coronado,Cali Member No.: 151 Region Association: Southwest Region |
......Mid engine handling....no comparison (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/boldblue.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/deadhorse.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/309.gif) (actually in any make!) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) |
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| scotty b |
Jun 23 2011, 11:27 AM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(thelogo @ Jun 23 2011, 09:17 AM) anybody know the horse power descrepency between these two ? ? somewhere in the 50-55 h.p. range I think. Cayman is around 325, the 911 is closer to 380 |
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| r_towle |
Jun 23 2011, 11:48 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Cayman R 330 hp, 2855 Lbs
GT3 RS 450 HP, weight 2690 Just a little bit unfair test. Put the 3.8 liter in a cayman and then look at the results. It whooped some factory cars at the 24 hours at the ring. Rich |
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| mburkhart |
Jun 23 2011, 11:52 AM
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From the article:
1969 - After witnessing a decade of mid-engine success throughout the top levels of motorsports, Porsche and VW team up to develop the hapless 914 sports car, which enjoys a life span of only six years. |
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| Zundfolge |
Jun 23 2011, 01:25 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 847 Joined: 12-August 07 From: Colorado Springs Member No.: 7,994 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
Yeah, this test would have been much more useful if the Cayman would have run against a standard Carrera and not a GT3.
Hell, if you put a Corvette Z08 up against my 914 it would kill the 914 ... does that mean that front engine/rear wheel drive is superior to mid engine? |
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| mwyatt |
Jun 23 2011, 01:59 PM
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According to the article in Car and Driver this month, the 911 is on Michelin Pilot Sport Cups (DOT-R tires), and the Cayman is on Bridgestone Potenza RE050As ("summer tires"). If the Cayman was on DOT-Rs I'm sure it would win this handling contest.
A sidebar to the article also references the 914, and describes it as "hapless." I'm willing to bet that my 914 (while not exactly stock), would pull more Gs than both the Cayman and the 911 on the skidpad. |
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| Dirty Evo |
Jun 23 2011, 06:14 PM
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I also was kind of irritated at the "hapless" comment in regards to the 914. Basically because it makes no sense. The 4 cyl 914's were a great sales success.. so in that regard, would be considered a successful if short lived platform. And weren't the 914-6's successful in racing, even though a failure in regards to sales / profitibility?
I just am not understanding what was "hapless"... most accounts I have read of the 914-4 describe it as an overwhelming success in regards to popularity and sales at the time. just reinforces my opinion of that magazine.. |
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| URY914 |
Jun 23 2011, 07:05 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,483 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
This just in.......
All F1, IndyCars and LeMans race cars will be rear engine next year. That mid engine thing just ain't working out. |
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| 70_914 |
Jun 23 2011, 07:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 395 Joined: 4-December 09 From: Roy, WA Member No.: 11,096 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(scotty b @ Jun 23 2011, 10:05 AM) Traction control makes a BIG difference in modern 911's (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) Traction control was off according to the article. |
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| messix |
Jun 23 2011, 07:30 PM
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i say take the price difference of the two cars and invest that into the caymen with tires wheels shocks and some more power and see where this would story would be then!
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