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VaccaRabite |
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En Garde! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 13,746 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region ![]() ![]() |
New problem. (yay!)
For whatever reason, as soon as I turn the key, before the engine starts, the VDO oil pressure gauge pegs out well past 80psi (probably 120, but 80 is the higest number.) The idiot light works as expected. Its green while the engine is cranking, but goes out about 1 second after the engine fires. The sender is the standard VDO dual sender using a paintball hose remote hose, and a study mount to the case. I have switched the leads at the sender to rule that out. I cleaned the ground between the sender and the mount. Not yet cleaned where the mount attaches to the engine case, but the connection there is solid and has lots of contact. I forget how the sender works. Does it work by grounding itself? Possible causes: Bad sender. Bad gauge. wire pinched somewhere between the gauge and the sender? wire pinched between fuse block and gauge? Missing something? Spend too much time trouble shooting this, and the car is still idling too high. No more time to work tonight. Sick. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Zach |
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,062 Joined: 7-October 08 From: Brentwood Member No.: 9,623 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
Just ground the lead and see if it changes. If I remember correctly, they do that if the sender lead is not attached.
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Oil pressure is highest when the engine is cold. Mine drops off over the first 10-15 miles as temps go up. If the high pressure doesn't last too long, I'd thin its probably OK.
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JimN73 |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 535 Joined: 6-October 07 From: Gig Harbor Member No.: 8,192 Region Association: Pacific Northwest ![]() |
Oil pressure is highest when the engine is cold. Mine drops off over the first 10-15 miles as temps go up. If the high pressure doesn't last too long, I'd thin its probably OK.
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VaccaRabite |
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En Garde! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 13,746 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region ![]() ![]() |
Usually the engine needs to be turning to make pressure. The gauge peg as soon as the key turns, before the engine even cranks.
My engine usually makes 70 to 80 psi pressure on start up. It has never gotten anywhere near pegging the gauge. I am fairly confident that the issue is either the sender, gauge or wire - not the engine. Zach |
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Might be the zener diode inside the gauge is kaput.
This basically moves the gauge scale. If this is the case, it might be that your voltage regulator gave up. Please check charging voltage when the engine is on. |
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914 Idiot ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15,175 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California ![]() ![]() |
Wires hooked up to the gauge correctly? Ground, power, sender, light?
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rich herzog ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None ![]() |
generally, for a VDO electric guage, open signal wire sends the meter to fullscale, grounded sends it to zero. Somewhere in the middle does sound like an internal guage fault.
If you disconnect the signal wire at the guage, you are testing the wire and the guage head. Then disconnect at the guage to test only that. |
VaccaRabite |
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En Garde! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 13,746 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region ![]() ![]() |
Wonderful. That will be helpful. Tonight I'll pull the gauge and check continuity of the wire ends. That will tell me if the wire is broken somewhere. If not the wire I need to check the voltage regulator and then replace the gauge.
Reading full on eliminates bad connections between gauge and fuses if I understand correctly. Zach |
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rich herzog ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None ![]() |
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StratPlayer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,332 Joined: 27-December 02 From: SLC, Utah Member No.: 27 Region Association: Rocky Mountains ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Having the same problem,,,
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 985 Joined: 11-September 06 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 6,815 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
The sender must be grounded or it will peg the gague needle.
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I had the same problem. Turned out to be a bad sender.
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'73-914kid |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,473 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Vista, CA Member No.: 9,714 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() |
On cold mornings, my gauge would occasionally peg with cold oil, due to the sheer pressure. One morning, the gauge was running at 60psi at idle, and then I went off to drive, gauge pegged as it sometimes would, then when I pulled up to a stop sign, the gauge stayed pegged.. took the sender out, and it turned out I broke the sender. It was a very old sender, but it still broke due to being overpressurized I believe.
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