Jim Kelly's V8 re-conversion |
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Jim Kelly's V8 re-conversion |
scotty b |
Aug 29 2011, 07:12 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
Jim dropped his car off to have me re-do the V8 ( 307 ) install he and Rod did a few years ago. This time around it will be getting the complete Renegade treatment, a new set of Dr. Sheas handi work. Elephant poly bronze bushings, sway bars, 108 c.v.'s. Some BIG ass sway away axles, and a lot of cleaning / detailing. I got started last friday pulling the engine and trans at the last minute before leaving for Matts party. Dr. Evil was going to do a quilie rebuild prior to the party's start. Once we opened up the box, the truth became known. Unfortunaely Jim's intermediate plate was shot. One of the worst Mikes has seen, so Mike took the stack back home to install a good plate, and do the gear swapping. I got to the shop today to find most of the area was tornm to shreds from Irene, so without power or water I couldn't do much other than tear the engine most of the way down. No way to get the flywheel ff until I have power back on so I can' mount it on an engine stand yet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I was in such a rush on friday I didn't get any pics of the whole car so you'll just have to deal with what I took today (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
I must say, this car IMHO has the PERFECT amount of horsepower. Enought to smoke the tires for the redneck in all of us, BUT it is very controlable, and can take off from a dead stop without lighting the rubber up. BOLTS in a straight line and still hangs onto the apex like a 914 should and sounds like a mythological beast in heat. This is the best of both worlds (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) I am hooked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Attached image(s) |
JmuRiz |
Aug 29 2011, 07:27 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,414 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Sounds cool, I'll get a close-up look at it in Oct.
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mepstein |
Aug 29 2011, 07:29 PM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,142 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
"I must say, this car IMHO has the PERFECT amount of horsepower. Enought to smoke the tires for the redneck in all of us, BUT it is very controlable, and can take off from a dead stop without lighting the rubber up. BOLTS in a straight line and still hangs onto the apex like a 914 should and sounds like a mythological beast in heat. This is the best of both worlds I am hooked"
TRAITOR (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Someone's been selling some houses. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
bigkensteele |
Aug 29 2011, 07:30 PM
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Major Member Group: Members Posts: 2,197 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 2,660 Region Association: South East States |
It can't be very fast - there is hardly any chrome.
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BajaXJ92 |
Aug 29 2011, 07:40 PM
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Extended Member Group: Members Posts: 2,146 Joined: 20-April 06 From: Prescott, AZ Member No.: 5,895 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
While trying desperately to hide the fact that you've got the proverbial wheels in my head turning, how much weight does the motor and applicable trans add?
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Dr Evil |
Aug 29 2011, 07:48 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,993 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Tranz is 75-80lbs. I lighten the tranz a little (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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scotty b |
Aug 29 2011, 07:53 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
While trying desperately to hide the fact that you've got the proverbial wheels in my head turning, how much weight does the motor and applicable trans add? A STOCK small block is a bit over 500 lbs. Knock a bit off of that for the al intake, headers, and pullies, I would guess this one is closer to 500 even. Stock h.p. on a 307 was around 200. Add a few for the headers, intake, carb aand ignition and this one maybe closing in on 230+ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Mark, I could change my mind once I drive a 3.2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
Dr Evil |
Aug 29 2011, 07:59 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,993 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Why not just go both ways, Scotty? We all know you do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/gayfight.gif)
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scotty b |
Aug 29 2011, 08:14 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Ken stuck HIS finger in MY ear unexpectedly and YOU enjoyed watching it. How did I become the switch hitter ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Let's not forget about you jamming your meat grips down Matts shirt either (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) |
jimkelly |
Aug 30 2011, 06:24 AM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
more than anything, i am looking forward to some good stopping power, oh yeah, and some nice suspension, and yeah, and some nicer steering, oh yeah, and and and ....................... you get the point : )
hopefully all the threaded holes on the front of the engine are ok? there is a heli coil in a few for sure. some might need ezlocks or other repair? thanks for the pics : ) jim |
SUNAB914 |
Aug 30 2011, 07:10 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 698 Joined: 29-December 08 From: Fredericksburg VA Member No.: 9,880 Region Association: South East States |
I'm hooked too. That's all I'm going to say.
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BajaXJ92 |
Aug 30 2011, 07:34 AM
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Extended Member Group: Members Posts: 2,146 Joined: 20-April 06 From: Prescott, AZ Member No.: 5,895 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
more than anything, i am looking forward to some good stopping power, oh yeah, and some nice suspension, and yeah, and some nicer steering, oh yeah, and and and ....................... you get the point : ) hopefully all the threaded holes on the front of the engine are ok? there is a heli coil in a few for sure. some might need ezlocks or other repair? thanks for the pics : ) jim Jim, Out of curiousity, do you have a ballpark figure of how much $ you have tied up in the conversion? |
jimkelly |
Aug 30 2011, 07:52 AM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
it is definitley best to do it right the first time.
i'll be about about $12k into mine after scott is done. look at this list - not of my car but in general to do a 914 v8. numbers are a mess and do not include most labor. $2000 914 roller $2000 complete sand blast $2000 metal work $3000 paint and body $2000 suspension and brakes parts $1000 all new weather rubber $300 front and rear sway bars $500 fiberglass bumpers $500 new tires $500 polished wheels $3500 complete crate sbc 350 $3000 renegade kit and cooling $200 elec fuel pump and filter $300-$600 headers exhaust and mufflers $290 engman inner long kit $500-$800 rebuilt trans $21k+- total cost for narrow body, stock suspension $26k+- total cost for wide body, 911 front suspension for wide body add ... $3000 steel flares - or - (about $1500 fiber flares) $1000 911 front suspension $200 914 rear drilled for 5 lug $1000 metal flares (plus install) $500 5 lug wheels +interior +headlight mechanism rebuild +new glass +new lenses +new harnesses - find fabricator |
pt_700 |
Aug 30 2011, 10:10 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,086 Joined: 4-March 10 From: san jose, ca Member No.: 11,430 Region Association: Northern California |
in my many years of looking into the sbc conversions (i have a rod simpson kit, uninstalled...), i've read one can shave about 100 lbs. off a stock small block chevy with aluminun intake and heads.
yes, still heavier than the stock motor but, oh the possibilities! |
Scott S |
Aug 30 2011, 11:44 AM
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Small Member Group: Members Posts: 1,697 Joined: 30-April 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 633 |
Very cool Jim!
After riding in Bobs "Porschev", I will absolutely own a V8 car someday. It was simply fantastic. In fact, in hindsight, I wish I would have waited things out a bit before starting my -6 conversion. I absolutely would have sold my current car to buy the right V8 car. I dont know what it is about them, but I just love em. I have never had any interest (at all) in any other muscle car/v8's (other than maybe the Pantera) - just the 914 conversions. Look forward to watching the build! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
Ductech |
Aug 30 2011, 02:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 356 Joined: 16-July 10 From: AridZona Member No.: 11,949 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Just wondering ... and I don't think anyone asked but what about the conversion was done so wrong? you should post up picks of certain aspects of the conversion that are being redone and give reasoning as to why things are being changed....
The cheap sons o bitches wanna know ... |
Ductech |
Aug 30 2011, 02:31 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 356 Joined: 16-July 10 From: AridZona Member No.: 11,949 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Just wondering ... and I don't think anyone asked but what about the conversion was done so wrong? you should post up picks of certain aspects of the conversion that are being redone and give reasoning as to why things are being changed....
The cheap sons o bitches wanna know ... |
jimkelly |
Aug 30 2011, 02:59 PM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
1- the trans was rebuilt by first timers - and as it turns out it has problems - but functioned pretty decently - can't wait to slush thru the gears whent he project is done.
2- the other thing is that we could never get temps under control with stock water pump - thus had to take the thermostat out - and that is not good. 3- because i designed the engine bar without thinking geometry out, we had to make shift linkage twisted in a way that probably impacted operation. 4- i did not want to get a quite 2 into 1 exhaust custom fabbed until i had all else in its proper locations - meaning where renegade likes things. 5- that said - the car is 40 years old - and the brakes, steering, suspension - are 40 years old - i am sure of that. since these above tasks require the engine be pulled - i figured - hell - lets just do it right - and spend a few extra bucks at renegade. for me - this is the poor mans 1969 camaro rs/ss and the pantera all rolled up into one : ) but it is not everyone;s cup of tea - and i write this with my pinky up high : ) jim |
Ductech |
Aug 30 2011, 03:43 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 356 Joined: 16-July 10 From: AridZona Member No.: 11,949 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Nice Jim... With out any past knowledge on your car i was wondering what apects of the home spun conversion weren't working for you. I am getting to your point with my subaru. I already want to remove the motor and trans and build a new motor tranny mount brace. The stock water pump notion is interesting as i have similar issues with my suby swap. granted my radiator is currently above the motor in the engine bay. not mounted up front. Renegade offer a better pump for your motor that would better suit the front mounted radiator?
And good on you for going in deep |
VaccaRabite |
Aug 30 2011, 04:42 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,407 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Jim's car was cool before getting reworked. I'm excited to see what it can do after. I actually hope you don't make it too pretty. I loved the rough edges.
Zach |
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