914 anomilies, model year overlaps? Options

[1970 Neun vierzehn]

Well apparently (according to "World" information) some early '72/4s were delivered with non-inertia seatbelts, while later builds had the retractable belts.

'72/6s appear to have the ignition switch on the steering column, as do all model year /4s.

So I wonder, did the factory produce any 1972 model 914s with a fixed passenger seat, or conversely deliver any '71s' with an adjustable passenger seat?

Or, are there any 1971 914s that had fresh air vents on the outboard ends of the dash, or 1972 models that didn't have these vents?

My own '70/4 (build date 01/70; delivered 04/70) had the "appearance package" w/leather steering wheel, chrome bumpers, vinyl rollbar trim but did not have factory installed fog lights. The fog lights and their requisite grilles were installed at the dealer @ delivery. My car also was not equipped with the tethered "footrest" that the '70 and '71 models came with. My early car also did/does not have any headliner material on the f/g roof.

I was just wondering just what sort of other trim and equipment variations from spec have been noted.

Paul

[THE STIG]

I saw a 1972 1 owner with early belts. It was an early 72 VIN. The owner bought the car in Germany while stationed there. He lived in Folsom and had the car for sale. I don't think he sold it but I don't have the contact info, it was Yellow.

THE STIG

[Gustl]

My early car also did/does not have any headliner material on the f/g roof.

my late 70/6 doesn't have the headliner on the roof - and it seems that there wasn't one ever

my (very personal) explanation was, that it might be a replacement roof - from my best knowledge, they came without headliner, seals and anything else; just the plain f/g roof

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[whatabout1]

My '73 1.8 has early doors with a thin armco side impact beam.

The '74 door has a spot welded ext. door handle recess and a much thicker and
doubled side impact beam.

[sixerdon]

It has been well documented that the 1970 models did not come with a headliner. Not until '71 MY. Much like the rear chrome bumper change. I have owned several 1970 /6's from 0137 to 1900 and none had the headliner. I also have 2 '71 parts cars, both with headliners.

Paul,
I noticed that your car has the two section center tray. My 0137 (01/70) has the early single section tray and did not come with a center cushion. It did come with a foot rest which was well worn. I can only estimate that my car was built in early January. I have spoken with the owner of 0150 and he has the single section, also.
I have always been curious at all the changes that took place from day to day, week to week, month to month or between model years.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I bet yours does not have the hold down buttons on your floor to hold down the front mats. There would be one in each corner of the foot wells just in front of the cross member under the seat. Therefore, your carpets have no holes for holding them in place. Can you verify?
Don

[1970 Neun vierzehn]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I bet yours does not have the hold down buttons on your floor to hold down the front mats. There would be one in each corner of the foot wells just in front of the cross member under the seat. Therefore, your carpets have no holes for holding them in place. Can you verify?
Don

Don, you are correct in your assumption, there are no anchors to secure the factory mats.

[Gustl]

It has been well documented that the 1970 models did not come with a headliner. Not until '71 MY.

could you show me such a documentation, please?
I've never read about this before (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (at least I can' remember (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )

thanks

[1970 Neun vierzehn]

It has been well documented that the 1970 models did not come with a headliner. Not until '71 MY.

could you show me such a documentation, please?
I've never read about this before (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) (at least I can' remember (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )

thanks

A quote from the 914 and 914-6 Porsche, A Restorer's Guide to Authenticity, New Revised Edition

"The earliest 914s and 914/6s and all 1970 and 1971 914s without appearance group had no headliner"

My own 914/4, #4702903114, build date 01/1970, I believe would qualify as an early 914, but it does have the appearance group and does not have a headliner.

It is generally accepted, I believe, that there are a few errors in this book, however. And these errors, I think, are the anomilies that a few of these cars have.


Paul

[Gustl]

"The earliest 914s and 914/6s and all 1970 and 1971 914s without appearance group had no headliner"

well, my 70/6 is a very late model (June 1970) ...?

I'd really like to know, because I already thought about installing one
I won't do, if there is an evidence that there should be none (originally speaking)

[1970 Neun vierzehn]

well, my 70/6 is a very late model (June 1970) ...?

I'd really like to know, because I already thought about installing one
I won't do, if there is an evidence that there should be none (originally speaking)

Is there any sign of residual adhesive on the underside of your roof, or a well founded suspicion on your part that the roof was a replacement item?

Paul

[914itis]

My 70 did not have one. I always wonder why?


BTW, What is the purpose of this vinyl piece?

[Gustl]

Is there any sign of residual adhesive on the underside of your roof, or a well founded suspicion on your part that the roof was a replacement item?

Paul

no sign of and residual adhesive

this made me think, it could be a replacement part
what else could be a hint for being a replacement roof?

currently I've no access to the roof, because it's at the paint shop (the structured black paint started to peel of, so I decided to spend it a new finish)
and I thought to install a headliner, as the roof is "under construction" now
but I won't do so, if the car originally came without headliner - I want to keep it as original as possible

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Gustl

[1970 Neun vierzehn]

My 70 did not have one. I always wonder why?


BTW, What is the purpose of this vinyl piece?

Paul,

As near as I can figure, the purpose of that piece is to visually transition the windshield header into the roof so that the occupants are not looking at weatherstripping and the header-to-roof joint. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Paul

[1970 Neun vierzehn]

Is there any sign of residual adhesive on the underside of your roof, or a well founded suspicion on your part that the roof was a replacement item?

Paul

no sign of and residual adhesive

this made me think, it could be a replacement part
what else could be a hint for being a replacement roof?

currently I've no access to the roof, because it's at the paint shop (the structured black paint started to peel of, so I decided to spend it a new finish)
and I thought to install a headliner, as the roof is "under construction" now
but I won't do so, if the car originally came without headliner - I want to keep it as original as possible

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Gustl

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...dliner&st=0

This might help answer your concerns.

Paul

[Pat Garvey]

Well apparently (according to "World" information) some early '72/4s were delivered with non-inertia seatbelts, while later builds had the retractable belts.

'72/6s appear to have the ignition switch on the steering column, as do all model year /4s.

So I wonder, did the factory produce any 1972 model 914s with a fixed passenger seat, or conversely deliver any '71s' with an adjustable passenger seat?

Or, are there any 1971 914s that had fresh air vents on the outboard ends of the dash, or 1972 models that didn't have these vents?

My own '70/4 (build date 01/70; delivered 04/70) had the "appearance package" w/leather steering wheel, chrome bumpers, vinyl rollbar trim but did not have factory installed fog lights. The fog lights and their requisite grilles were installed at the dealer @ delivery. My car also was not equipped with the tethered "footrest" that the '70 and '71 models came with. My early car also did/does not have any headliner material on the f/g roof.

I was just wondering just what sort of other trim and equipment variations from spec have been noted.

Paul

From the info & visuals that I've encountered through the years, '72 fours had a fixed passenger seat and non-retractable belts through May 72 production. June & forward production fours had the new belts and adjustable pass seat.

[sixerdon]

"The earliest 914s and 914/6s and all 1970 and 1971 914s without appearance group had no headliner"

well, my 70/6 is a very late model (June 1970) ...?

I'd really like to know, because I already thought about installing one
I won't do, if there is an evidence that there should be none (originally speaking)

It's also mentioned in Brian Long's book as well as many posts on this site. I have also taken note of many other /6's I have come across since the 70's. The one I owned back then was #1900 and it did not have a headliner. It wasn't that old back then. If it's possible, you should try to contact the previous owners for the history. It's the only source for finding the truth. I also remember many owners of the early cars would install the liner when it became available. It does provide better protection from the heat, cold and road noises.
Question; Do you have the original warranty booklet? If you do, when was it sold?
Don

[sixerdon]

Well apparently (according to "World" information) some early '72/4s were delivered with non-inertia seatbelts, while later builds had the retractable belts.

'72/6s appear to have the ignition switch on the steering column, as do all model year /4s.

So I wonder, did the factory produce any 1972 model 914s with a fixed passenger seat, or conversely deliver any '71s' with an adjustable passenger seat?

Or, are there any 1971 914s that had fresh air vents on the outboard ends of the dash, or 1972 models that didn't have these vents?

My own '70/4 (build date 01/70; delivered 04/70) had the "appearance package" w/leather steering wheel, chrome bumpers, vinyl rollbar trim but did not have factory installed fog lights. The fog lights and their requisite grilles were installed at the dealer @ delivery. My car also was not equipped with the tethered "footrest" that the '70 and '71 models came with. My early car also did/does not have any headliner material on the f/g roof.

I was just wondering just what sort of other trim and equipment variations from spec have been noted.

Paul

From the info & visuals that I've encountered through the years, '72 fours had a fixed passenger seat and non-retractable belts through May 72 production. June & forward production fours had the new belts and adjustable pass seat.

According to my information, '72/4's passenger seats were all moveable. Most with the non-retractable belts. Check your '72 sales brochure. It's quite clear in the pics. Also, read the R&T article from Feb '72 as well as many other books written on 914.
Don

[Gustl]

Question; Do you have the original warranty booklet? If you do, when was it sold?

yes - the car was 1st sold on May 28, 1971 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[sixerdon]

Question; Do you have the original warranty booklet? If you do, when was it sold?

yes - the car was 1st sold on May 28, 1971 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

As I suspected. At that time, production for the '71 model year was nearing an end and '70 /6's were still available at heavily discounted prices. ($5000 US) The smart dealers would load them up with options to move them. Perhaps even with a headliner to give it the finished look as the '71 models. My experience says no headliner from the factory during the '70MY.
Don

[nathansnathan]

Well apparently (according to "World" information) some early '72/4s were delivered with non-inertia seatbelts, while later builds had the retractable belts.

'72/6s appear to have the ignition switch on the steering column, as do all model year /4s.

So I wonder, did the factory produce any 1972 model 914s with a fixed passenger seat, or conversely deliver any '71s' with an adjustable passenger seat?

Or, are there any 1971 914s that had fresh air vents on the outboard ends of the dash, or 1972 models that didn't have these vents?

My own '70/4 (build date 01/70; delivered 04/70) had the "appearance package" w/leather steering wheel, chrome bumpers, vinyl rollbar trim but did not have factory installed fog lights. The fog lights and their requisite grilles were installed at the dealer @ delivery. My car also was not equipped with the tethered "footrest" that the '70 and '71 models came with. My early car also did/does not have any headliner material on the f/g roof.

I was just wondering just what sort of other trim and equipment variations from spec have been noted.

Paul

From the info & visuals that I've encountered through the years, '72 fours had a fixed passenger seat and non-retractable belts through May 72 production. June & forward production fours had the new belts and adjustable pass seat.

According to my information, '72/4's passenger seats were all moveable. Most with the non-retractable belts. Check your '72 sales brochure. It's quite clear in the pics. Also, read the R&T article from Feb '72 as well as many other books written on 914.
Don

I am also doubtful about the cutoff being May/ June 72. I have a very original 4 built April 72 that has both adjustable seats and retracting seat belts.