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> Zach's Carbs to Microsquirt conversion thread, 7/20/18 update
VaccaRabite
post Oct 11 2011, 06:44 PM
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I am retrofitting this thread to be my full on conversion thread, documenting my change from dual 40 Webers to MSII fuel injection.

Here is what I have so far, and what I need:
HAVE:
  • MSIIv3.52 pre-built box.
  • JimStim board for testing the MSII box
  • V3 main Board wire harness.

    Will soon have:
    Injection system off a 1.8 914, from which I will use
  • Throttle body
  • Intake Runners
  • Fuel Injectors (unless I find they don't flow enough fuel)
  • Fuel Rail
  • Fuel Pump (maybe - Joe may still need it for himself)

    Stuff I need:
  • TPS or MAF sensor
  • 4 wire O2 sensor
  • Bung welded into exhaust
  • Fuel Pump (Maybe, see above)
  • Other stuff I don't know about yet
The engine is a 2056, particulars as follows:
Built on 1.7 heads.
Jake's 9530 cam (carb cam similar to Web 494)
Mallory optical ignition
ACCEL (UltraCoil) coil.
SSI exchangers for exhaust.

My goals for this project are to have near stock intake noise volume, better cold starting - especially in cooler weather, negate the bad effects or Ethanol on carbs, teach myself something about fuel injection.

Since I already have a pretty good ignition system, I am not going to go after crank fired ignition at this time, but I am not ruling that out for the future.

Before I begin the conversion, I am going to pull the engine and do a little refreshing and cleaning, including:
  • Fixing an oil leak at the front of the engine
  • cleaning under all tins (not that I exect to find much, but its a good thing to do)
  • Fix some cooling tins issues that I have been living with for the past 2 years
  • Open up holes in the tins I welded shut so I can replace heater tubing and heat my cabin!
  • Check for battery acid leaks or rust appearance in the engine bay. Neutralize.
QUOTE
I am getting ready to start my conversion form carbs to EFI.

My goal is to use as much stock EQ as I can, but replace the sensors and such with modern, easy and cheaper to find stuff. Plus, since my car has a cam, the stock FI will not work.

My engine has 1.7 4 bolt heads.
1) are the 1.7 and 1.8 intake runners the same?
2) Is the intake runner inside diameter smaller then the 2.0 intake runner ID?
3) is the throttle body for the 1.8 smaller then the throttle body for the 2.0?

If the 1.8 TB is smaller then the 2.0, can the 2.0 TB be swapped in?

Are 1.8 injectors high or low impedance?

I am asking this as I will be able to get Joe's discarded 1.8 bits when he pulls his engine and starts going down the 2056 route.


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Vacca Rabite   Zach's Carbs to Microsquirt conversion thread   Oct 11 2011, 06:44 PM
saigon71   Zach: I followed advice from Mr. Foley and left m...   Apr 10 2014, 07:27 AM
Racer Chris   I haven't found time to work on it yet, but on...   Apr 10 2014, 09:52 AM
John Jentz   I haven't found time to work on it yet, but o...   Apr 10 2014, 10:18 AM
Vacca Rabite   So I stopped at best buy and bought the cheapest l...   Apr 10 2014, 04:29 PM
r_towle   What do you get for 250 this month?   Apr 10 2014, 07:19 PM
Vacca Rabite   Not a hell of a lot, and windows 8. Which I am le...   Apr 10 2014, 07:36 PM
r_towle   Not a hell of a lot, and windows 8. Which I am l...   Apr 10 2014, 07:41 PM
Vacca Rabite   How does this get plumbed in? How do the fuel ra...   Apr 11 2014, 01:13 PM
McMark   Tank - Pump - Pass Side Fuel Rail - Driver Side Fu...   Apr 11 2014, 02:39 PM
Vacca Rabite   So fuel flows in from the side of the regulator an...   Apr 11 2014, 03:05 PM
McMark   Ignore the right side. http://www.914world.com/bb...   Apr 11 2014, 03:19 PM
McMark   Also, this: http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/...   Apr 11 2014, 03:21 PM
Vacca Rabite   Car is back on all 4 tires at least for the moment...   Apr 11 2014, 03:28 PM
Moneypit   Car is back on all 4 tires at least for the momen...   Apr 23 2014, 03:02 PM
crash914   Nice, then you can come help me this weekend....I ...   Apr 11 2014, 03:46 PM
Vacca Rabite   Done for the evening. Got the engine side fuel lin...   Apr 11 2014, 09:42 PM
ablesnead   planning on purchasing a Rennshift don't have...   Apr 12 2014, 08:24 PM
Vacca Rabite   planning on purchasing a Rennshift don't hav...   Apr 12 2014, 08:27 PM
Vacca Rabite   A good day. I got to do my first muzzle loading c...   Apr 13 2014, 06:33 PM
396   congrats...great info / education   Apr 15 2014, 08:56 AM
Vacca Rabite   Today I got a little done but not much. Got the v...   Apr 17 2014, 07:24 PM
Vacca Rabite   Dammit! I'm having grounding issues. Cyl ...   Apr 18 2014, 09:13 AM
tdgray   Dammit! I'm having grounding issues. Cyl...   Apr 18 2014, 10:33 AM
Vacca Rabite   Dammit! I'm having grounding issues. Cy...   Apr 18 2014, 11:08 AM
saigon71   Sorry to hear the teener won't make it Zach. ...   Apr 18 2014, 11:24 AM
Vacca Rabite   Well yes. Indeed.   Apr 18 2014, 08:43 PM
jsayre914   Well yes. Indeed. Bummer :(   Apr 18 2014, 09:30 PM
Vacca Rabite   Today I buttoned back up the expansion tank on the...   Apr 22 2014, 06:33 PM
Dr Evil   Ya, then you could have driven yourself home :P   Apr 22 2014, 06:46 PM
scotty b   Ya, then you could have driven yourself home :P   Apr 23 2014, 06:52 AM
Vacca Rabite   Car is now at Translog for finishing. Dragged it ...   Apr 28 2014, 04:24 PM
mepstein   It's not defeat, it's bring in reinforceme...   Apr 28 2014, 06:37 PM
Vacca Rabite   Stopped by Translog today to drop off some stuff. ...   May 15 2014, 03:55 PM
Moneypit   Stopped by Translog today to drop off some stuff....   May 16 2014, 07:40 AM
Dr Evil   "We have a turd in the punch bowl. Repeat, we...   May 15 2014, 04:02 PM
bulitt   "We have a turd in the punch bowl. Repeat, w...   May 15 2014, 04:10 PM
crash914   Looking good! It won't take long..you wil...   May 15 2014, 04:36 PM
saigon71   Excellent! When you get it back, let's ga...   May 15 2014, 05:18 PM
Vacca Rabite   I stopped by Translog today with my laptop. The EC...   Nov 11 2014, 05:17 PM
McMark   USB to serial adapters suck. I would invest in a ...   Nov 11 2014, 05:34 PM
Vacca Rabite   USB to serial adapters suck. I would invest in a...   Nov 11 2014, 06:11 PM
McMark   I use a Dell D630 which has a built in serial port...   Nov 11 2014, 06:30 PM
aircooledtechguy   I use a Dell D630 which has a built in serial por...   Nov 11 2014, 06:47 PM
scotty b   :hide:   Nov 11 2014, 06:53 PM
crash914   You can always swing by and we can test it with my...   Nov 11 2014, 07:02 PM
McMark   Does the fuel pump turn on with the key?   Nov 11 2014, 08:20 PM
mr2by4   Mark, How much does this sort of deluxe, COP, prew...   Nov 11 2014, 09:43 PM
Vacca Rabite   I did not hear the fuel pump turn on. But I was no...   Nov 12 2014, 11:15 AM
McMark   Mark, How much does this sort of deluxe, COP, pre...   Nov 12 2014, 12:30 PM
peteyd   Any updates on your car Zach? You have this thing...   Mar 28 2015, 03:37 PM
Vacca Rabite   I need to call Tony tomorrow and find out. He sa...   Mar 30 2015, 07:46 PM
toon1   I need to call Tony tomorrow and find out. He s...   Mar 31 2015, 11:11 AM
Dr Evil   :rotfl: :ph34r:   Mar 30 2015, 07:55 PM
r_towle   :rotfl: :ph34r: What is that glass house throwin...   Mar 30 2015, 08:20 PM
Vacca Rabite   Nothing in particular aside from me not having tim...   Mar 31 2015, 12:08 PM
Vacca Rabite   I talked to Tony. Not running and he is stumped. ...   Mar 31 2015, 02:04 PM
McMark   Zach, will you confirm they tried the tips I sent ...   Mar 31 2015, 02:16 PM
crash914   Harness I think is different, but you are welcome ...   Mar 31 2015, 03:43 PM
McMark   Yeah, MSII is very different. Nice offer though. ...   Mar 31 2015, 03:53 PM
Vacca Rabite   Mark, when I talked with Tony today they said they...   Mar 31 2015, 04:30 PM
Vacca Rabite   My plan of action thus far is to do a loopback tes...   Mar 31 2015, 04:33 PM
Vacca Rabite   Heading to Translog tomorrow. (thursday). Packing...   Apr 1 2015, 08:02 PM
scotty b   you realize you could have shipped the car to Mark...   Apr 1 2015, 08:07 PM
r_towle   you realize you could have shipped the car to Mar...   Apr 1 2015, 08:24 PM
Racer Chris   you realize you could have shipped the car to Mar...   Apr 2 2015, 10:10 AM
Vacca Rabite   [quote name='scotty b' post='2168601' date='Apr 1...   Apr 2 2015, 10:18 AM
scotty b   [quote name='scotty b' post='2168601' date='Apr 1...   Apr 2 2015, 11:14 AM
Racer Chris   No offense intended Chris. I was just busting Sac...   Apr 2 2015, 11:42 AM
AndyB   you realize you could have shipped the car to Mar...   Apr 2 2015, 11:22 AM
Vacca Rabite   Looks like the issue is a miswired factory serial ...   Apr 2 2015, 09:03 AM
Vacca Rabite   Back at home again. Here is where I am at. I hac...   Apr 2 2015, 02:22 PM
McMark   Just left you a message Zach. Don't buy anyth...   Apr 2 2015, 02:28 PM
Vacca Rabite   So right now this is my plan for the test board. h...   Apr 2 2015, 05:45 PM
Spoke   So right now this is my plan for the test board. ...   Apr 3 2015, 06:38 AM
Vacca Rabite   On a whim, as there is little else I can do right ...   Apr 2 2015, 07:10 PM
r_towle   On a whim, as there is little else I can do right...   Apr 2 2015, 08:08 PM
McMark   I don't know for sure, can't test till Sat...   Apr 2 2015, 08:06 PM
Vacca Rabite   I don't know for sure, can't test till Sa...   Apr 2 2015, 08:17 PM
okieflyr   Some power converters do not produce a clean enoug...   Apr 3 2015, 05:46 AM
Vacca Rabite   I don't have a spare car battery. My 914 and i...   Apr 3 2015, 06:43 AM
McMark   I don't have a spare car battery. My 914 and ...   Apr 3 2015, 12:07 PM
Spoke   Your power supply should be ok. What exactly hap...   Apr 3 2015, 07:12 AM
Vacca Rabite   Your power supply should be ok. What exactly ha...   Apr 3 2015, 09:12 AM
Spoke   Could I get you to draw out the circuit (so a dum...   Apr 3 2015, 10:43 AM
crash914   Schematics are available here... http://www.micro...   Apr 3 2015, 08:06 AM
Spoke   Schematics are available here... http://www.micr...   Apr 3 2015, 10:29 AM
crash914   it could be just the rs232 chip that is no good......   Apr 3 2015, 08:06 AM
McMark   Careful of changes by version. That schematic is v...   Apr 3 2015, 08:38 AM
crash914   yea, i thought about that.....ver 3.0 is also avai...   Apr 3 2015, 08:40 AM
crash914   Let's try this one. Never mind......can't...   Apr 3 2015, 05:07 PM
Vacca Rabite   Herb, i may come to pick your brain when I get the...   Apr 3 2015, 05:55 PM
crash914   No problem...Jim stim and unit on my bench. I thi...   Apr 3 2015, 06:14 PM
Vacca Rabite   Well, I built the breadboard for the power circuit...   Apr 9 2015, 07:16 PM
Vacca Rabite   Tester for power built. http://www.914world.com/bb...   Apr 11 2015, 09:18 PM
Vacca Rabite   My laptop has sucessfully communicated with Micros...   Apr 11 2015, 09:34 PM
Vacca Rabite   So here is my theory. This test circuit only has ...   Apr 11 2015, 09:54 PM
Vacca Rabite   Brain goes back in the catr on Thursday for furthe...   Apr 14 2015, 10:21 AM
Vacca Rabite   No dice. Once in the car the ECU failed to connec...   Apr 16 2015, 10:47 AM
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