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> Zach's Carbs to Microsquirt conversion thread, 7/20/18 update
VaccaRabite
post Oct 11 2011, 06:44 PM
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I am retrofitting this thread to be my full on conversion thread, documenting my change from dual 40 Webers to MSII fuel injection.

Here is what I have so far, and what I need:
HAVE:
  • MSIIv3.52 pre-built box.
  • JimStim board for testing the MSII box
  • V3 main Board wire harness.

    Will soon have:
    Injection system off a 1.8 914, from which I will use
  • Throttle body
  • Intake Runners
  • Fuel Injectors (unless I find they don't flow enough fuel)
  • Fuel Rail
  • Fuel Pump (maybe - Joe may still need it for himself)

    Stuff I need:
  • TPS or MAF sensor
  • 4 wire O2 sensor
  • Bung welded into exhaust
  • Fuel Pump (Maybe, see above)
  • Other stuff I don't know about yet
The engine is a 2056, particulars as follows:
Built on 1.7 heads.
Jake's 9530 cam (carb cam similar to Web 494)
Mallory optical ignition
ACCEL (UltraCoil) coil.
SSI exchangers for exhaust.

My goals for this project are to have near stock intake noise volume, better cold starting - especially in cooler weather, negate the bad effects or Ethanol on carbs, teach myself something about fuel injection.

Since I already have a pretty good ignition system, I am not going to go after crank fired ignition at this time, but I am not ruling that out for the future.

Before I begin the conversion, I am going to pull the engine and do a little refreshing and cleaning, including:
  • Fixing an oil leak at the front of the engine
  • cleaning under all tins (not that I exect to find much, but its a good thing to do)
  • Fix some cooling tins issues that I have been living with for the past 2 years
  • Open up holes in the tins I welded shut so I can replace heater tubing and heat my cabin!
  • Check for battery acid leaks or rust appearance in the engine bay. Neutralize.
QUOTE
I am getting ready to start my conversion form carbs to EFI.

My goal is to use as much stock EQ as I can, but replace the sensors and such with modern, easy and cheaper to find stuff. Plus, since my car has a cam, the stock FI will not work.

My engine has 1.7 4 bolt heads.
1) are the 1.7 and 1.8 intake runners the same?
2) Is the intake runner inside diameter smaller then the 2.0 intake runner ID?
3) is the throttle body for the 1.8 smaller then the throttle body for the 2.0?

If the 1.8 TB is smaller then the 2.0, can the 2.0 TB be swapped in?

Are 1.8 injectors high or low impedance?

I am asking this as I will be able to get Joe's discarded 1.8 bits when he pulls his engine and starts going down the 2056 route.


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Vacca Rabite   Zach's Carbs to Microsquirt conversion thread   Oct 11 2011, 06:44 PM
McMark   Certainly sounds like the harness. :( Most likel...   Apr 16 2015, 12:16 PM
Vacca Rabite   Will find out tonight. If I can get a connection ...   Apr 16 2015, 02:06 PM
r_towle   how many pins is the connector? Have you considere...   Apr 16 2015, 02:24 PM
Vacca Rabite   Rich it's an amp-seal connector. Stop by my ro...   Apr 16 2015, 02:28 PM
Dr Evil   Can't wait.   Apr 16 2015, 02:45 PM
Dr Evil   Pretty sure this is your problem. Need a new hamps...   Apr 16 2015, 02:47 PM
crash914   bring a gas mask...   Apr 16 2015, 02:57 PM
Vacca Rabite   Well, not the harness. I did find a fault in the ...   Apr 17 2015, 07:00 PM
Vacca Rabite   I now have full confidence in the harness. When I...   Apr 20 2015, 12:11 PM
McMark   Bad relay board? Test the power supply pin. It...   Apr 20 2015, 12:41 PM
Vacca Rabite   Relay board is first of the things I have to check...   Apr 20 2015, 01:00 PM
crash914   Hot wire. Eliminate everything and then add back ...   Apr 20 2015, 01:01 PM
r_towle   Zach, Have faith, look what Wally did.... https:...   Apr 20 2015, 01:08 PM
Vacca Rabite   Herb, I'll just flat tow it. Thanks for the of...   Apr 20 2015, 03:32 PM
McMark   Main power relay on the board may not be tripping....   Apr 20 2015, 04:05 PM
toon1   relay board fuse, could be a switching transistor ...   Apr 20 2015, 04:21 PM
Vacca Rabite   relay board fuse, could be a switching transistor...   Apr 20 2015, 06:34 PM
toon1   relay board fuse, could be a switching transisto...   Apr 25 2015, 09:40 AM
McMark   Since he's got Megasquirt I listed in his sign...   Apr 20 2015, 07:02 PM
Vacca Rabite   Since I will be doing some rewiring, I made someth...   Apr 22 2015, 07:38 PM
Vacca Rabite   my 914 is back in my garage. Work starts tonight.....   Apr 24 2015, 09:02 AM
crash914   Are you using the ms relay board? I only use my or...   Apr 24 2015, 09:57 AM
Vacca Rabite   Are you using the ms relay board? I only use my o...   Apr 24 2015, 06:24 PM
Vacca Rabite   As usual, life got in the way. But work started a...   May 8 2015, 05:16 PM
crash914   Fingers crossed   May 8 2015, 05:35 PM
shag   Good Luck, If it works are you going to the Impor...   May 8 2015, 06:15 PM
Vacca Rabite   Good Luck, If it works are you going to the Impo...   May 8 2015, 06:54 PM
r_towle   Good luck, keep on it.   May 8 2015, 07:39 PM
Vacca Rabite   Work complete. http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploa...   May 8 2015, 09:51 PM
okieflyr   I love your poster board! My schematic pag...   May 9 2015, 10:38 AM
balljoint   I love your poster board! My schematic pa...   May 9 2015, 02:31 PM
Vacca Rabite   On the other side is a poster of Elle Macpherson...   May 9 2015, 03:22 PM
r_towle   Keep at it, even an hour a week and you will conqu...   May 9 2015, 02:22 PM
mepstein   Keep at it, even an hour a week and you will conq...   May 9 2015, 02:25 PM
Vacca Rabite   With any luck, tonight I put the harness back in t...   May 9 2015, 04:35 PM
Vacca Rabite   Booya! We have a connection in the car. repea...   May 9 2015, 07:26 PM
saigon71   Booya! We have a connection in the car. repe...   May 9 2015, 08:47 PM
aircooledtechguy   Booya! We have a connection in the car. repe...   May 10 2015, 12:54 AM
McMark   Great news Zach!! If you are using a VR ...   May 10 2015, 09:17 AM
balljoint   Send Mom to the spa, instruct kids to clean their ...   May 9 2015, 07:37 PM
crash914   :headbanger:   May 10 2015, 07:07 AM
Vacca Rabite   Well, found the issue! Something is wrong with...   May 10 2015, 09:36 PM
toon1   Are you saying the fuel pump turns on because of t...   May 10 2015, 11:50 PM
crash914   shorted wires in the TPS, drawing down the operati...   May 11 2015, 02:44 AM
914_teener   shorted wires in the TPS, drawing down the operat...   May 11 2015, 07:30 AM
Vacca Rabite   Replaced the TPS after work today. Tested it and ...   May 11 2015, 06:00 PM
r_towle   Sweet   May 11 2015, 06:45 PM
Vacca Rabite   http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/farm6...   May 18 2015, 07:53 PM
McMark   I still have a few mysteries to work out with the ...   May 19 2015, 04:32 PM
toon1   I still have a few mysteries to work out with the...   May 20 2015, 09:24 AM
McMark   [quote name='McMark' post='2188774' date='May 19 ...   May 20 2015, 09:58 AM
Dr Evil   C'mon Hershey 2020! You can make it! P...   May 18 2015, 09:07 PM
914itis   :lol4: :rotfl:   May 18 2015, 09:10 PM
aircooledtechguy   A slow methodical approach is good. You're ma...   May 19 2015, 07:17 AM
Dr Evil   Because he will have developed Alzheimer's.......   May 19 2015, 03:02 PM
Dr Evil   Because he will have developed Alzheimer's.......   May 19 2015, 03:03 PM
Vacca Rabite   gas is in the tank. Need to rig an inline fuel pr...   May 19 2015, 08:11 PM
Vacca Rabite   Is it important to measure fuel pressure at the ra...   May 19 2015, 08:33 PM
falcor75   Is it important to measure fuel pressure at the r...   May 19 2015, 11:17 PM
McMark   No, before the fuel pressure reg. Basically the r...   May 19 2015, 08:40 PM
Vacca Rabite   Yes I mispoke. Plan was to put the gauge into the ...   May 20 2015, 06:33 AM
Dr Evil   Looking good....   May 20 2015, 07:50 AM
Vacca Rabite   Tried to start it tonight for giggles. No dice. N...   May 20 2015, 06:38 PM
r_towle   Got fuel in the tank? Good luck, you are closing ...   May 20 2015, 06:58 PM
McMark   Gotta cycle the key a few times to purge all the a...   May 20 2015, 07:29 PM
Michelj13   I have Mark's sensor/wheel but my base offset ...   May 21 2015, 12:27 AM
Vacca Rabite   Cool. The gurgling I was hearing was likely air ge...   May 21 2015, 12:57 PM
Vacca Rabite   Okay, few steps forwards! and one biggie back....   May 21 2015, 02:13 PM
McMark   You should see cranking RPM on your laptop.   May 21 2015, 02:17 PM
Vacca Rabite   Nope, the tach in TunerStudio does not budge. Jus...   May 21 2015, 02:37 PM
McMark   Under Ignition Setup -> Base Ignition Settings,...   May 21 2015, 02:45 PM
Vacca Rabite   Nope, no dice there either. (handy having a laptop...   May 21 2015, 02:52 PM
McMark   Check the Dual MultiSpark Ignition Options Menu Si...   May 21 2015, 02:57 PM
ndfrigi   after reading the pages with various information h...   May 21 2015, 03:20 PM
Vacca Rabite   Mark what are the flow rates on your injectors? A...   May 21 2015, 03:27 PM
McMark   Mark what are the flow rates on your injectors? ...   May 21 2015, 04:52 PM
Vacca Rabite   Does plenum volume include intake runners? I supp...   May 21 2015, 05:09 PM
McMark   I've never done all that. I don't even kn...   May 21 2015, 06:52 PM
Vacca Rabite   General fuel setup. One of the fields is plenum si...   May 21 2015, 07:09 PM
Vacca Rabite   back on the bench again. :-/ After weeks of conn...   May 22 2015, 09:49 AM
McMark   Yeah, incomplete firmware upload can be a bad thin...   May 22 2015, 10:02 AM
Vacca Rabite   It can, and I guess (am hoping) this is a result o...   May 22 2015, 10:21 AM
Dtjaden   Hi Zach, Until you are getting an rpm reading to ...   May 22 2015, 08:57 PM
Vacca Rabite   What is the difference between the MSExtra firmwar...   May 24 2015, 05:37 PM
crash914   Have you tried measuring the voltage off the senso...   May 24 2015, 06:41 PM
Vacca Rabite   Have you tried measuring the voltage off the sens...   May 24 2015, 07:58 PM
McMark   Do this. http://www.useasydocs.com/tachref.htm I...   May 24 2015, 07:10 PM
Vacca Rabite   Do this. http://www.useasydocs.com/tachref.htm ...   May 24 2015, 07:39 PM
McMark   That page isn't exactly clear, you have to loa...   May 24 2015, 07:14 PM
McMark   Sorry, Pound per hour   May 24 2015, 07:16 PM
McMark   Use the tooth analyzer. ;)   May 24 2015, 08:05 PM
Vacca Rabite   Where I am now. tooth wheel to sensor clearance. h...   May 24 2015, 09:35 PM
Vacca Rabite   Oh, by the way. If I need to flip the trigger whe...   May 24 2015, 09:38 PM
edwin   The gap there doesn't look close enough to me....   May 24 2015, 09:44 PM
McMark   The fan hub alignment pin should be roughly lined ...   May 24 2015, 10:45 PM
Dtjaden   There are only a few possibilities if you are not ...   May 24 2015, 11:44 PM
Vacca Rabite   There are only a few possibilities if you are not...   May 25 2015, 01:01 AM
crash914   Zach, I would swing by but am flat out until after...   May 25 2015, 06:17 AM
76-914   Have you tried measuring the voltage off the sens...   May 25 2015, 07:48 AM
Dr Evil   Didnt you hack the sensor wires and then reconnect...   May 25 2015, 04:00 PM
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