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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,463 Joined: 23-July 11 From: Clayton, Georgia Member No.: 13,351 Region Association: South East States ![]() |
I noticed that a teener on ebay is supported by the Engine Bar and not the jack point on a lift.
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() |
Should be just fine ......
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No Ghosts in the Machine ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 953 Joined: 30-March 10 From: Boston, MA Member No.: 11,530 Region Association: North East States ![]() |
that's where I support mine -- one jack at either end of the engine bar
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It's perfectly safe, I do it all the time.
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SirAndy |
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Resident German ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 41,694 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
What?
That's a early tail shifter with RUBBER outer mounts!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Those mounts should be toast the first time you use that bar to jack up your car ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
HAM Inc |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 846 Joined: 24-July 06 From: Watkinsville,GA Member No.: 6,499 Region Association: None ![]() |
QUOTE Those mounts should be toast the first time you use that bar to jack up your car ... Yep. And the sheet-metal that the rubber mounts bolt to are 1mm thick, spot welded to the long's and is probably rusty inside. It supports the engine and tranny, but the car is a lot heavier. I never did used the engine bar for support. |
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What? That's a early tail shifter with RUBBER outer mounts!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Those mounts should be toast the first time you use that bar to jack up your car ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I was about to say the same thing but Herr Andy has more spare time to surf the site more often (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Advanced Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,424 Joined: 18-April 05 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 3,946 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() |
I personally think it's fine on the later cars if they aren't rusty. I typically jack from the donuts...
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 808 Joined: 8-June 08 From: Los Angeles, Ca Member No.: 9,147 Region Association: None ![]() |
I only use the jack points. The bar is rubber mounted to the car and pretty flexible. with the give that the engine mounts have, I wouldn't think they could hold the load.
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Cevan |
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Before you support the weight of the car on the engine bar, shouldn't you know the yield strength of the two bolts (#20 below) that attach the small metal piece (#11) to the chassis? When you jack it from the engine bar, you are stressing those bolts in a way they normally aren't stressed.
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914 Rudiments ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,321 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Coronado,Cali Member No.: 151 Region Association: Southwest Region ![]() |
I personally think it's fine on the later cars if they aren't rusty. I typically jack from the donuts... Yes......I do(did) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
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Major Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,197 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Cincinnati, OH Member No.: 2,660 Region Association: South East States ![]() ![]() |
I jack mine up under the muffler.
On an unrelated note, I have this mystery exhaust problem... |
URY914 |
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 121,200 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None ![]() |
As far as "stressing" the #20 bolts above. Hogwash IMHO. Bolts are in tension or compression all thier lives. That's what bolts are made to do.
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Cap'n Krusty ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California ![]() |
So, what's the longitudinal shear strength of an 8mm 8g bolt? Granted, there are 2 per side, but you may be pushing it to subject them to the weight of the car. The load applied by the driveline is substantially less because the outer mounts sit on the body. Lifting by the mount hangs the body FROM the mounts. Think about it.
BTW, the engine supporting trick for an Audi 100 LS was to run a single long 8mm bolt through the front "snubber" mount behind the grille and hang the entire weight of the engine and tranny from that bolt and the nose sheet metal. That's the other side of the question. I think you CAN jack the car from the motor mount, but it doesn't mean you SHOULD. The Cap'n |
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Cross Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None ![]() |
If the bolts were sideways, then shear strength would make lifting there totally retarded. The bolts are vertical...So they can handle it. Not that URY's car figures into this. You probably could lift his by the muffler. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
But hello, there's a drivetrain hanging suspended from a mounting system designed to hold just the front half of the drivetrain. Since the drivetrain weighs significantly less than the car, whether it can handle it or not, lifting the whole car from there is questionable.....Multiplied times 30+years of rust damage in those thin mounting structures only makes it more questionable. Yeah, I've done it before. Would I do it again just because it's been done? Not unless I was under the influence of another drummer's weed. There are other jacking points that are without question, so I use those. |
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Drive Fast and Take Chances ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 643 Joined: 8-September 10 From: Amelia Ohio Member No.: 12,156 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() |
I jack mine up under the muffler. On an unrelated note, I have this mystery exhaust problem... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 121,200 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None ![]() |
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Lesbians taste like chicken. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,444 Joined: 22-August 04 From: DeLand, FL Member No.: 2,602 Region Association: South East States ![]() |
I don't pick them up that way, but then I'm a "tranny jacker", so don't listen to me:)
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