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914 Tool and Dying, Is this normal? |
tracks914 |
Apr 27 2003, 06:52 PM
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Canadian Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,083 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 153 Region Association: None |
I've just spent about 18 hours glazing and finish sanding my rear deck lid and one (passenger) door in order to get it smooth and true. I have only done this on American cars in the past but have never seen so many low spots, ripples and deflection in the sheet metal. The back (left side) of the trunk had a bondo (pink spots) rust repair and so did one spot on the door just below the door handle but I never thought the rest would be so uneven. Sanding on the deck lid was even more difficult because any pressure on it would push the sheet metal down. I would hate to see what would happen to a finished product if two people tried to get romantic on it. (maybe that's why it is in such bad shape) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)
If this continues for the rest of the car, it will take about 200 hours to do a good job. Attached image(s) |
Lawrence |
Apr 27 2003, 06:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,661 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 244 Region Association: None |
Uhhh... I can say that two people "getting romantic" on a hood is definately difficult to repair.
In fact, I can guarantee it. -Rusty |
Brad Roberts |
Apr 27 2003, 07:01 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Thanks Tracks...
Now people will stop asking me why our body shops get 5K for complete paints. Your pointing it out nicely (and doing a good job) B |
tracks914 |
Apr 27 2003, 07:04 PM
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Canadian Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,083 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 153 Region Association: None |
Ok then I guess this is normal? I can see dings in the doors from carelessness but the deck lid seemed to rough for me. Then I figured Porsche might be trying to keep the cars light by using thin materials. Don't know the truth though.
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Brad Roberts |
Apr 27 2003, 07:09 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Welcome to 914's.
I normally throw away lids that are that bad.. finding rear lids that are decent is becoming more difficult. People slam the trunk lids to shut them with both palms in the middle... they are almost always dented here. B |
tracks914 |
Apr 27 2003, 08:05 PM
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Canadian Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,083 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 153 Region Association: None |
I know fiberglass lids had balsa wood ribs to support them. Do you know of any "nice" way of supporting metal lids?
Are the front trunk lids as bad as this? I start that one this week. |
Brad Roberts |
Apr 27 2003, 08:20 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
The front trunk lids are generally in good shape. I rarely find them jacked up.
I havent seen any kind of bracing for steel deck lids... I'm sure somebody has done something. B |
Aaron Cox |
Apr 27 2003, 08:35 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
WOW! nice job...lotsa labor. doors almost look like camoflauge (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) rear trunk lids are really thin, and have like no ribbing underneath- prolly to save money
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Zeke |
Apr 27 2003, 10:00 PM
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Never left, but not right.... Group: Members Posts: 381 Joined: 26-January 03 From: Long Beach CA Member No.: 197 Region Association: None |
Looks to me like it was in a hail storm. The trick is to not push down so hard, but, duh, you already know that. I use polyester primer and build it up with about four heavy coats. If you shoot it up with enough catalyst you'll be sanding inside the hour.
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need4speed |
Apr 28 2003, 10:08 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 339 Joined: 11-April 03 From: Arroyo Grande, CA Member No.: 564 |
Weren't these cars put together by Karmann? I know that my Ghia (and other Ghias) uses very stout sheetmetal - by today's standards. I've heard stories that the paintless dent repair guys won't touch them because their techniques are only effective on thin sheetmetal.
Karmann made some 356's, and some of the early 911's as well, and it was my understanding that they also made some of the 914's - but I'm not certain about that - and I don't know if thick sheetmetal is a hallmark of Karmann, or the coachbuilding process in general - probably more of the latter. |
SirAndy |
Apr 28 2003, 11:31 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,601 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(need4speed @ Apr 28 2003, 09:08 AM) Weren't these cars put together by Karmann? I know that my Ghia (and other Ghias) uses very stout sheetmetal - by today's standards. I've heard stories that the paintless dent repair guys won't touch them because their techniques are only effective on thin sheetmetal. only true for '72 or earlier. VW changed their sheet-metal in late '72 from "the good stuff" to "made out of recycled scrap metal". i don't know how that effected the 914, but you can tell on any other VW (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Andy |
Part Pricer |
Apr 28 2003, 12:22 PM
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Believe everything I post Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,825 Joined: 28-December 02 From: Danbury, CT Member No.: 35 |
QUOTE(need4speed @ Apr 28 2003, 11:08 AM) Karmann made some 356's, and some of the early 911's as well, and it was my understanding that they also made some of the 914's Karmann made all of the 914 chassis. |
mskala |
Apr 28 2003, 12:40 PM
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R Group: Members Posts: 1,925 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 79 Region Association: None |
I cut up an original-looking '70 door, and there was a HUGE
amount of filler (white) in the middle of it. I'll try to find a piece to take a picture. I don't know what was going on in these factories back then, probably soccer games. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Mark S. '70 914-6 |
URY914 |
Apr 28 2003, 03:29 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,025 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
As I continue to cut up my car (more pictures coming soon) I keep finding the white factory bondo/filler everywhere. There was big globs of it inside the wheel wells where the fenders and cowl meet.
My rear lid was the same way-looks like someone sat in the middle of it. You can sit on an American car's trunk, but not a 'teener. Paul |
Brad Roberts |
Apr 28 2003, 03:41 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Members Posts: 19,148 Joined: 23-December 02 Member No.: 8 Region Association: None |
Paul,
I *think* that is seam sealer you are running across. They sprayed the cars with this stuff everywhere... Usually over foam. B |
tracks914 |
Apr 28 2003, 05:52 PM
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Canadian Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,083 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 153 Region Association: None |
The ribs on the underside of the deck lid have between 1/16" to 1/4" gap. Now that I am finished the sanding I have put a bead of seam sealer in the gap to add a bit of stiffness to it. Nothing wrong with a little stiffness. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif)
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mskala |
Apr 29 2003, 10:56 AM
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R Group: Members Posts: 1,925 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 79 Region Association: None |
Here's my door pic. It is in the area of 6 inches from the rear, and
6 inches from the bottom. You can't really tell from the mic, but the thick part is 0.085", and the door where there's no filler is 0.038". It's crazy. This was Dave M.'s door from the '6 that got whacked and had it's parts moved to another car. Mark S. '70 914-6 Attached image(s) |
tracks914 |
Apr 29 2003, 06:09 PM
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Canadian Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 2,083 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Timmins, Ontario, Canada Member No.: 153 Region Association: None |
WOW that's alot of filler. Was that original or was the car refurbished or in an accident. I have heard of body shops using a trowel to put putty on but that looks pretty thick.
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mskala |
Apr 29 2003, 07:28 PM
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R Group: Members Posts: 1,925 Joined: 2-January 03 From: Massachusetts Member No.: 79 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(tracks914 @ Apr 29 2003, 07:09 PM) WOW that's alot of filler. Was that original or was the car refurbished or in an accident. I don't have the history of the car, but these are my observations: seems only one layer of paint, I don't know if anybody uses white body filler other than factory, and if there was a wreck, what would cause the thing to be SO slightly dished. (There is no evidence of a dent being pulled anywhere.) Mark S. '70 914-6 |
SirAndy |
Apr 29 2003, 10:28 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,601 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
just talked to the guys at the body shop and they told me that my doors are the same way. full of white bondo. they actually asked me if i had another set of doors, because it will take a lot of their time to get them done right. very strange ....
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