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> I'm off to pick up my 6!, motor that is!
seanery
post Aug 14 2004, 06:50 AM
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Woohoo!
Going to meet 914forme and buy his 2.2T motor!

Plans are to make a modified 2.2S/E and stick it in whitey!
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post Aug 14 2004, 06:52 AM
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Done in time for the FFC. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) We are not going to wait for you this year. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Cool..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
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post Aug 14 2004, 07:12 AM
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Nope,
it'll be a 4 cylinder car this year.
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post Aug 14 2004, 08:38 AM
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lucky you!...one of these days I'd love to drop a six in mine!
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post Aug 14 2004, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(seanery @ Aug 14 2004, 04:50 AM)
Plans are to make a modified 2.2S/E and stick it in whitey!

we'll hafta compare notes at the FFC -- i'm doing exactly the same to the 911's engine this winter ...
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post Aug 14 2004, 09:07 AM
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I consider you a brother... please re-think your purchase...

Anything below is a 3.0 is a waste of time/money/resources.

Your 2.0 4cyl car will out run/ out handle the same car with a 2.2 or 2.4 in it for that fact.



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post Aug 14 2004, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Aug 14 2004, 07:07 AM)
I consider you a brother... please re-think your purchase...

Anything below is a 3.0 is a waste of time/money/resources.

Your 2.0 4cyl car will out run/ out handle the same car with a 2.2 or 2.4 in it for that fact.



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Dear Brad:
You're as full of shit as a Christmas goose.

Your buddy,

JP (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Other than that, I agree. The 2.2T is not a good place to start from the time/money/effort standpoint.
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post Aug 14 2004, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Aug 14 2004, 07:46 AM)
The 2.2T is not a good place to start from the time/money/effort standpoint.

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i'm hotrodding my 2,2E because it's what came in the car. it has the Biral cylinders broad torque-range cams, and MFI.

you need a very specific reason to build an engine earlier than a 3,0 -- targeting FP in SOLO-II with a 2,8 for instance. i'm making the best of the engines i have, and when i make a decision to go bigger, it'll be based on what's available and my goals at the time.

that said - a 2,2+ S should be a fun engine, and it does at least have piston squirters from the factory...
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post Aug 14 2004, 10:42 AM
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The E motor is a better base. It has the Birals and usable cams...these save a pee pot fulla money..and it doesn't have Zeniths. The case is.....decent as long as one stays with 84 mm bore.

Nuthin' wrong with using whatcha' got, me thinks.
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post Aug 14 2004, 11:44 AM
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) brad;s right wait and get 3.0
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post Aug 14 2004, 03:09 PM
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done deal. It's in mah truck.

I'm taking the E cams out of the 2.7 as well as the Weber 40s.
I'll need to think about what cams and PMOs to put in bluecar.

I'm gonna need some pistons and cylinders for the 2.2. I don't plan on using the cast iron cylinders anymore. I wish I could afford a set of Nikkies, but that and PMOs in the same year are a tough one to swallow.


I know what everyone says about big sixes, but a 170-180hp lil six will be just fine....OH, and it has THAT SOUND! You guys know what I'm talkin' 'bout (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Aug 14 2004, 04:29 PM
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Which leads me to ask, what is the deal with the blue car & its 2.7L....did I miss sumthin'?
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post Aug 14 2004, 05:49 PM
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race car in progress way too long.
Being 2000 + miles away hinders my ushering it into competion.
I started it when I lived on a boat and had more $ than time and space, so it's a hired out job.

It actually is just about done, just need to find time to go pick it up.
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post Aug 14 2004, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(oracio21 @ Aug 14 2004, 12:44 PM)
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) brad;s right wait and get 3.0

I'm no fan of CIS. Aint puttin' that crap in mah car.
I can't afford no stinkin' 3.2 at this point, so a hot lil 2.2 will suit me just fine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mueba.gif)
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post Aug 14 2004, 10:11 PM
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I be with you in a SIX , too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chatsmiley.gif) I'll have questions .

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post Aug 14 2004, 10:38 PM
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Me too!
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Don't listen to the "big motor or don't bother" club. That's all a crock. I suppose if your racing the thing only, then go big or stay home. But the small sixes make sweet 914' motors.
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Isn't Jeff Fort's a 2.2? If not, I don't think it's bigger than a 2.4.
That thing sounds awesome, and I've gotta tell ya, that's a big deal to me. I friggin' love that sound!

Jim Chambers will know, maybe he'll respond if he reads this thread.
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Mike,
Thank you for saying that out loud!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)

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post Aug 15 2004, 07:25 AM
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QUOTE(Gint @ Aug 14 2004, 08:47 PM)
Don't listen to the "big motor or don't bother" club. ... But the small sixes make sweet 914' motors.

i agree with your sentiment 100%.

however, there's another side of the coin. if one is starting from scratch, you have all types to select from. it's about the same price of entry for a 3,0 as an early engine, and it costs about the same to rebuild (maybe less, if you're fixated on genuine Mahle 2,2S P&C's...). the SC engines are just about bulletproof.

3,0's with Webers and 964 or early 911S cams is a v-e-r-y nice package.

i like my little engines because they rev freely, they're light, and they keep the thermal loads manageable (although i will be adding the cost, weight, and complexity of a front cooler with the 2,2+S due to its intended track use...).

you need a good reason to start with something earlier than a 3,0. if you've got a reason, go for it !
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