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post Aug 15 2004, 09:08 AM
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Sean, only know what I was told about Jeff's car: Early aluminum 2.0 case, 2.0 crank, E cams,2.7 P&C which makes a 2.5. Bruce Anderson talks about this combination in his 911 performance book. It also has msx gears. One thing I know for sure, it is strong, loud and fun.
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post Aug 15 2004, 09:36 AM
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One thing I know for sure, it is strong, loud and fun.


It sure is. I was behind him on the way back from the..... oh heck I can't remember the name of the store with all teh model cars and such at the MWC. Anyway I was able to keep up with my 2.0L 4, but that sound... ahhhh (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)
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post Aug 15 2004, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Aug 15 2004, 06:25 AM)
you need a good reason to start with something earlier than a 3,0. if you've got a reason, go for it !



How about I complete runner for $1500? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool_shades.gif)

That's my reason.

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post Aug 15 2004, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ Aug 15 2004, 08:19 AM)
How about I complete runner for $1500?
That's my reason.

that's a good start, especially if it's reasonably fresh.

if it had low compression and indications of bad valve guides, $1500 is a bit steep for a core engine (depending on the induction) and after a full rebuild, you have a fresh $8000 little engine. for $8000 you can have a reasonably fresh 3,2 - so it's all about tradeoffs.

one of my reasons for staying "little" (<3,0) in the 911 is that i am trying to stay 'period correct' with my RS-homage car. i don't know what i'm doing with the 914.6 yet ...
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post Aug 15 2004, 12:21 PM
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One word for daily driven 6 conversions... TORQUE. The little motors dont have it/wont have it.

I wouldnt run a CIS engine in a 914 either... but plenty of people have done it.

I'm looking at the list of people responding to this post.. and I can only count 1 or 2 that have ever ridden in a 3.0 9146.

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post Aug 15 2004, 12:24 PM
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I agree with the torque thing...I have driven a stock 2.0L 914-6 and I was in desperate need of some more torque. The motor spins nicely and drives good, but is a little slow off the line.

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post Aug 15 2004, 12:32 PM
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I've driven a 3.0 ridden in a 3.2 a couple times, 2.7s, a 2.5 several 2.0s. I kinda have an idea what I'm doin' here.

I'd love a 3.2 but it's not in the cards right now. Period!
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post Aug 15 2004, 12:37 PM
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Nobody here mentioned a 3.2.. I just said dont spend money on anything less than a 3.0 UNLESS you plan to run a certain race/autoX class.

I have watched many people go down the small motor path... and sell them.



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post Aug 15 2004, 12:51 PM
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I'm not gonna spend 3500 bucks for a tired 3.0. It's gonna need a full rebuild, webers, cams, etc...It's WAY more money!
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post Aug 15 2004, 07:33 PM
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Ahhh... for Fuch's sake...

It's all relative. And it depends on what you want to do with the car. To make a blanket statement like that just doesn't make sense. I know you probably intended it specifically for Sean, knowing that it's primarily a track car, but *LOTS* of people read these threads and take comments like that to be gospel.

My motor has plenty of torque for a street car. And to my knowledge, it's still a 2.0. Modified yes, but still a 2.0.

Trekkor is a fine example. Found a decent 2.0/2.2(2.4?) for $1500. Great motor to start a conversion with. Once the conversion is done, if he wants more power, he can get it, sell the small motor and upgrade as budget/circumstances allow.
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post Aug 15 2004, 07:41 PM
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whitey is a street car. bluecar is the track car 2.7RS-ish stuff in it.
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post Aug 15 2004, 07:44 PM
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Then WTF! Go for it! Sorry, I lost track, you have so many. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Brad is right, a 2.0/4 will spank a 2.0/6.

But it doesn't sound or feel the same. But you already know that.
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post Aug 15 2004, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Aug 15 2004, 10:37 AM)
Nobody here mentioned a 3.2..

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for $8000 you can have a reasonably fresh 3,2 - so it's all about tradeoffs.
that's me - nobody ...
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post Aug 15 2004, 08:43 PM
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Ok, I am weighing building a 2056/4 or going with a "little" six. Since we have to have a "good reason" for going with a (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) , which I believe the larger engines require oil coolers.

And I want to know where you guys are finding these complete runners for $1500?
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post Aug 15 2004, 08:55 PM
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And I want to know where you guys are finding these complete runners for $1500?


From all of the "Go big or don't bother" clubbers. Seriously, if you shop around long enough, a local deal will usually come along for a decent running small 6 that you can even hear run and possibly drive before you buy.
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post Aug 15 2004, 09:00 PM
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Remember, used carbs usually go for a grand a set, so the $1500 complete motor isn't an everyday thing.
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post Aug 15 2004, 09:19 PM
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I hope to run my motor soon. I goin' crazy here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

I have an eletric fuel pump and pres reg. I'll set to 4 PSI.
I'll use a 12v battery with power to the starter and power to a switch that lights up the coil and fuel pump.

I'll run ground to the trans bolt.

Do I run a wire to the neg side of the coil?
Is it a ground also?

After you tell me how to wire it, I'll flip my switch and crank the starter...

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post Aug 15 2004, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE(trekkor @ Aug 15 2004, 07:19 PM)
I hope to run my motor soon. I goin' crazy here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)

I have an eletric fuel pump and pres reg. I'll set to 4 PSI.
I'll use a 12v battery with power to the starter and power to a switch that lights up the coil and fuel pump.

I'll run ground to the trans bolt.

Do I run a wire to the neg side of the coil?
Is it a ground also?

After you tell me how to wire it, I'll flip my switch and crank the starter...

KT

Oh, wait.........is this thing in a car?
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post Aug 15 2004, 09:35 PM
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Oh, sorry, JP...It's on the bench. Testing only.
After tuning, dyno. Then I'll decide if if it goes in the car.
I don't have a "magic" number BTW

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post Aug 15 2004, 09:40 PM
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I am just a caveman...points, it goes to the points. Doy.

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