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> 914club.com BBS is slow, anyone else notice this?
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post Aug 17 2004, 12:46 AM
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I know this came up a few weeks ago, but was it ever resolved? The page load times seem to be getting slower and slower.

I can't imagine that you need a super high horsepower server or connection to run this site... Just playing armchair system admininstrator from the sidelines it seems some database tuning may be needed. I'd be happy to contribute to a fund for a faster server or some DB consultants time or... ?

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post Aug 17 2004, 01:17 AM
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I have noticed it, seems to fly when there aren't so many user's on-line. Like now... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stones.gif)
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post Aug 17 2004, 02:48 AM
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yes. I've noticed -for the last 2/3 weeks
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post Aug 17 2004, 06:06 AM
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I notice it more after I have been to the shop talk forums, that place as really fast but that's probably because Jake runs it (I think).

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post Aug 17 2004, 06:15 AM
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Yes, it has been noted and the admins say it not the site, but I have a routine of about 10 sites I check every morning. 914club always has big delays in loading the pages that I never experience at the other sites.

It is really annoying, and absolutely restricted to only this site. I often open another browser and surf another site while waiting for a page to come up.
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post Aug 17 2004, 06:27 AM
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I load five different sites in tabs as my "homepage". The 914club is always the last to come up.

I don't think that the problem is with bandwidth or server response. From my cursory investigation, those seem adequate. Has the database been optimized using the Invision mySQL Toolbox? (not trying to be a prick, just trying to help)
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post Aug 17 2004, 09:17 AM
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I was seeing the slowness a few weeks ago but now it's pretty fast for me. Try a traceroute to www.914world.com and see what it turns up.
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post Aug 17 2004, 09:21 AM
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I aint no computer wiz but, I regularally check from 3 different computers, all on high speed, all of which are new Pentium 4's and are very fast in general, but the 914 club site is always slow....
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post Aug 17 2004, 09:39 AM
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I just pushed the "back" button from this thread and it took 40 seconds to respond. Came back to this thread to make this post and it took 20 seconds load.


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post Aug 17 2004, 09:44 AM
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The page loads have been slow for me also (and I'm only 10hops or so from the server) I do think it is a database issue. Each page is generated.. The box appears to be fine and the connection is fine.

The MYSQL hasnt been touched as far as I know since it was configured and installed.


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post Aug 17 2004, 10:24 AM
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One reason is that it reloads everytime you go back or click on a new page....most sites will not post the newest data when you hit BACK....this one does.
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post Aug 17 2004, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(Paul Heery @ Aug 17 2004, 05:27 AM)
I don't think that the problem is with bandwidth

does OC48 sound big enough? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

our server connection goes literally straight into a *big* OC48-Pipe the size of my arm.
i don't think we could saturate that pipe, even if we all tried at the same time ...

i've been thinking about moving the site back onto one of my compaq boxes that has dual CPU, 4 Gig RAM, raid-array, blah blah.
right now, the current box and the fairly large mySql DB could be a bottleneck.

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post Aug 17 2004, 03:08 PM
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I am noticing the slowness too. This morning the 914 Tech BBS took so long I just gave up (and we are using T1 at my office).

With dial up at home the site seems fine, but some times it's incredibly slow with the T-1.

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post Aug 17 2004, 03:17 PM
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> i've been thinking about moving the site back onto one of my compaq boxes that has dual CPU, 4 Gig RAM, raid-array, blah blah. right now, the current box and the fairly large mySql DB could be a bottleneck.

Again, I really don't know what I'm talking about so I shouldn't be offering sys admin advice, but I doubt it's the hardware. Anything better than a P2 should run this site fine, it's probably how the db is configured. Might need an index on a table somewhere or something...

I'd offer to have one of our guys at work look at it, but we're primarly a Microsoft shop, so we'd be fumbling around a lot. It's probably a 2 hour project for the person that knows what they are doing.

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post Aug 17 2004, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Aug 17 2004, 01:03 PM)
QUOTE(Paul Heery @ Aug 17 2004, 05:27 AM)
I don't think that the problem is with bandwidth

does OC48 sound big enough? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

our server connection goes literally straight into a *big* OC48-Pipe the size of my arm.
i don't think we could saturate that pipe, even if we all tried at the same time ...

i've been thinking about moving the site back onto one of my compaq boxes that has dual CPU, 4 Gig RAM, raid-array, blah blah.
right now, the current box and the fairly large mySql DB could be a bottleneck.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Andy

That fiber is actually less than a mm thick.

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post Aug 17 2004, 04:43 PM
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I knew Andy was in trouble when he said that... I have stood next to OC48 and OC12 cabinets... the number of T1's splitting off that cabinet require a physical pipe the size of his arm...LOL

I used to do T1 card testing in those cabinets...


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post Aug 17 2004, 05:14 PM
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I've actually thought about this for a long time, and here's my educated guess:

It takes a long time for the BBS to calculate how many pages belong in a thread.

That "Member 914 Pictures" thread now has about 80 pages. It has about 1600 replies and my guess is that everytime you load that forum or redisplay that page it's going to go and calculate how many pages it will take you to view all 1600 of them.

On other BBS's they kill threads (make it so you can't post to them) and start a new one after they are so many pages long, and I'm guessing it's for this very reason. I've done a lot of work with database reporting and one of the biggest performance killers for a report is displaying "Page X of Y" in the footer, since it has retrieve all the records for the report and calculate how many pages long the report will be.

Is there an option so that the number of pages in a thread are not displayed? Maybe move that thread to it's own section, or create a whole new section for member pictures? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Aug 17 2004, 05:22 PM
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It just gives me something to look forward to if it dosn't load right away. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Aug 17 2004, 05:27 PM
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Anything better than a P2 should run this site fine, it's probably how the db is configured. Might need an index on a table somewhere or something...



My guess is that that isn't true. The server isn't just serving up static pages. Since the site uses PHP, the server has to process and put together every page from the DB. Is it possible to do some benchmarking to see where the bottlenecks are?
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post Aug 17 2004, 05:53 PM
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I've suspected the DB for some time now. But I'm no DBA...

I've temporarily moved the "Members 914 pictures" and the "What the heck do you look like?" threads to the Classic Message Threads forum. Let's see what happens now. There is an option to "split" threads. If this temp move helps, maybe we can try that with the biggies.
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