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> 914club.com BBS is slow, anyone else notice this?
siverson
post Aug 17 2004, 12:46 AM
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I know this came up a few weeks ago, but was it ever resolved? The page load times seem to be getting slower and slower.

I can't imagine that you need a super high horsepower server or connection to run this site... Just playing armchair system admininstrator from the sidelines it seems some database tuning may be needed. I'd be happy to contribute to a fund for a faster server or some DB consultants time or... ?

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ematulac
post Aug 17 2004, 06:07 PM
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It's moving even slower for me now than it was before. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Aug 17 2004, 06:27 PM
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OK. I moved the monster threads, backed up the db and rebooted the box. Let's see how it works out.
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post Aug 17 2004, 06:34 PM
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QUOTE(Brad Roberts @ Aug 17 2004, 03:43 PM)
I knew Andy was in trouble when he said that...

ok, the "metal tubes" around the FO-Pipe is about the size of my arm ...

geeze, you guys. so, do you think the OC48 is big enough?
IIRC it's about 1600 x faster than a T1 ....

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post Aug 27 2004, 04:50 PM
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Really slow today again... What else can be tried to speed things up?

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post Aug 27 2004, 04:55 PM
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post Aug 27 2004, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Aug 17 2004, 04:34 PM)
geeze, you guys. so, do you think the OC48 is big enough?
IIRC it's about 1600 x faster than a T1 ....

that's fine and all, OC48, but you do not have OC48 plugged into the NIC card of the server so it's kinda irrelevant.

yeah real slow for me since last night. sometimes it stalls and takes 20 sec+ to load the page.
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post Aug 27 2004, 07:26 PM
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Watching the 'top' statistics shows that the CPU is regularly maxxed out. As well, the physical memory seems to be maxxed out and 125 mb of swap space is being used. Sounds like the box is being tapped out.
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post Aug 27 2004, 07:33 PM
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125MBs of swap isn't a lot. How much memory in the box?
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post Aug 27 2004, 07:36 PM
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Looks like 256 mb. The load average was up to 5 a few minutes ago with 150 mb of swap being used.
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post Aug 27 2004, 08:34 PM
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On Linux, using ANY swap kills performance. This goes double if it's a 2.2 or early 2.4 kernel. Linux is very aggressive about keeping stuff in RAM, and it performs very badly (relative to, say, Solaris) when forced to swap. More than any other flavor of Un*x, adding memory to a Linux box is a big win.

Is this thing all in PHP? You running Zend?

If any of the admins (Andy) are going to be at the breakfast tomorrow, I'd be happy to chat about the setup. I've run some very high traffic sites on a shoestring before (> 1M/day on < $1000). PHP and MySQL. Or just email me.
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post Aug 27 2004, 08:43 PM
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Anything would help.

THe thing that bothers me is that the slow down happened rather suddenly several months ago. It was all fine and dandy... and then something happened.

It wasn't like it was a gradual decline in performance.

I think something was tweaked wrong or some code is unnecessarily running some loops it should be doing.
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post Aug 27 2004, 10:05 PM
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THe thing that bothers me is that the slow down happened rather suddenly several months ago. It was all fine and dandy... and then something happened.

It wasn't like it was a gradual decline in performance.


That's consistent with swap being the problem. There's probably been a gradual increase in load as the forum got more popular, which probably causes more threads in Apache and MySQL to linger, which takes up more RAM, until it runs out. Then, suddenly, performance will nosedive as it has to swap. I've seen that time and again on growing websites running Linux.

Memory is so cheap now that unless the box you're using is really old, you should be able to bump it up to 1GB pretty cheaply. I'd be willing to contribute $ (and labor, if necessary), just like in the hard drive buy. Should be cheaper than that was. Even going to 512MB would help a great deal.

Once you have adequate memory, another thing that may help is using Squid or the like to do static content serving. Apache is actually pretty heavy-weight for static content, and putting Squid in httpd-accelerator mode ahead of it, and setting it to only cache certain kinds of responses (basically nothing with .php in the URL, here) can also speed things up dramatically, as Squid is very efficient at stupid things like static content (images, esp).
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post Aug 27 2004, 11:24 PM
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My suggestion is that we buy something like this or better:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5717352418&rd=1

Since the ecommerce site is close at hand we could do a limited edition club tshirt for say $30/each instead of the usual $20/each. I'm sure the pent up demand for t-shirts is huge.

500 tshirts x $10 = $5000
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post Aug 28 2004, 08:11 AM
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That fiber is actually less than a mm thick.


He mis-quoted... he didn't mean his "arm"
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post Aug 28 2004, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Aug 28 2004, 07:11 AM)
He mis-quoted... he didn't mean his "arm"

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post Aug 28 2004, 01:18 PM
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Andy,
is there a way to turn off Avatars at the server?

Based on your Avatar post, there seem to be quite a few large pics being used as avatars.

So either the server is spending time shrinking them before sending, or is sending the whole pic and letting the browser shrink. Either way, its takes time.
(or I have no idea what I am talking about )

I have my personal settings to not show avatars, and the pages generally load within 2 to 5 seconds.
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post Aug 28 2004, 05:29 PM
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I'll secure more ram for the box this week. The question will be WHEN we can install it.

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post Aug 29 2004, 11:44 AM
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Seems a every so slightly better right now...

Did you add more memory?

Maybe no one's logged on...

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post Aug 29 2004, 11:45 AM
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it's normal speed at "OFF" hours. I think we're tapping out the resources of the box when we have 100 people checking it out.
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post Aug 29 2004, 11:54 AM
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I'm trying to talk the guy who built the box for me 5 years ago to "spot" us some ram. He is a Corvette car guy... I asked him to set aside 2 512 sticks for us "if" the motherboard will take it. Worst case scenerio it gets 4 256 sticks.


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