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is a 1.7 914 a better car than a 356 or a 912 |
rgmrgm |
Dec 11 2011, 06:45 PM
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a 912 looks like a 911 but it isn't, a 356 drives and handles like a vw beetle. a 914 is a better handling car with superior acceleration and top speed. some would argue that the 914 degraded the porsche name. i would argue that the 914 is the second best air cooled car to carry the porsche banner, Oh well some people believe that a 75 MG midget is a sports car. some day the 914 will be valued for the car that it is.
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billh1963 |
Dec 11 2011, 07:43 PM
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Car Hoarder! Group: Members Posts: 3,402 Joined: 28-March 11 From: South Carolina Member No.: 12,871 Region Association: South East States |
a 912 looks like a 911 but it isn't, a 356 drives and handles like a vw beetle. a 914 is a better handling car with superior acceleration and top speed. some would argue that the 914 degraded the porsche name. i would argue that the 914 is the second best air cooled car to carry the porsche banner, Oh well some people believe that a 75 MG midget is a sports car. some day the 914 will be valued for the car that it is. The 914 will eventually come into its own....and values will rise. They won't rise like Ferraris or even early 911's. However, they will rise as 914's continue to be lost to rust and accidents. |
r_towle |
Dec 11 2011, 09:18 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
Don't let your friends make you feel bad.
It's the coolest vw on the road....and it is a pretty competitive porsche |
ezbngreen914 |
Dec 11 2011, 09:42 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 441 Joined: 11-December 10 From: Sautee, GA Member No.: 12,472 Region Association: South East States |
Pre (what I would call modern day) auto restrictions/requirements, mid engined, top off, Etc, Etc, Porsche. sub 10K? If the economy ever gets back on track this will no longer be a reality.
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JmuRiz |
Dec 12 2011, 09:54 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,427 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
It really all depends on the 356, 912, 914 in question.
I've driven a 356 that felt like a beetle and I've driven the one I bought that is tight as a drum. I've also bee in some 914s that are far from tight. |
SirAndy |
Dec 12 2011, 11:57 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,642 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
is a 1.7 914 a better car than a 356 or a 912 Define "better" ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
thelogo |
Dec 12 2011, 02:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,510 Joined: 6-April 10 Member No.: 11,572 Region Association: None |
is a 1.7 914 a better car than a 356 or a 912 Define "better" ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Not my fight but , I define better as """ QUOTE : If your not gonna get a back seat ." Make sure the ENGINE is in the MIDDLE """ but I'd have to go w/ the 356 because I don't need huge power and after seeing BUILT BY HAND documentary , I believe it to be the superior CAR ! something about built by hand that I just love |
Tom_T |
Dec 12 2011, 03:29 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California |
something about built by hand that I just love You can always take your own 914 apart & build it back by hand! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I agree that the 914 is the better sports car. Lest we forget as the pundits always do, that the 356 was supposed to be a mid-engine - 356-1 was a middie then production from 356-2 on switched to tail-dragger for lower cost & to use more VW parts, & it's heavily loaded from the VW parts bin! Back in the 50's the pundits used to berate the 356 as being a sporty VW, until it proved them wrong, as the 914 is doing now. |
thelogo |
Dec 12 2011, 03:56 PM
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something about built by hand that I just love You can always take your own 914 apart & build it back by hand! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Take it apart & build it back by hand , No thanks , I don't like the idea that much ! |
damesandhotrods |
Dec 12 2011, 04:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 568 Joined: 26-September 10 From: Santa Cruz California Member No.: 12,218 Region Association: Northern California |
A 914 will never have the grace, glamour, or mystic of the 356 or an early 912. Those cars belong to an earlier time and the 914 is a product of the 70s. Emotionally it will never win that contest. It’s a newer car so it has the advantage of better technology, so if that’s the yardstick then yes the 914 is a better car. I wouldn’t compare the 914 to other Porsches, it will become the inevitable everyone wants a 914-6 for the price of a 914-4. If you want to compare the 914 to anything, I would compare it to the offerings of MG, Triumph, Fiat, and Alfa.
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Drums66 |
Dec 12 2011, 06:27 PM
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914 Rudiments Group: Members Posts: 5,321 Joined: 15-January 03 From: Coronado,Cali Member No.: 151 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE Not my fight but , I define better as """ QUOTE : If your not gonna get a back seat ." Make sure the ENGINE is in the MIDDLE """ but I'd have to go w/ the 356 because I don't need huge power and after seeing BUILT BY HAND documentary , I believe it to be the superior CAR ! something about built by hand that I just love (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stones.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rock_band.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rock_band.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rock_band.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif) |
Cap'n Krusty |
Dec 12 2011, 08:32 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
A 356 doesn't compare to either. It was a top-of-the-line car in its day, priced right up there with a Cadillac. The 912 is an underpowered dog. IMO, unless you need a back seat, the 914 is a better car than a 912, but falls way short of the market niche filled by a 356 in its time.
The Cap'n |
somd914 |
Dec 12 2011, 09:20 PM
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Must say, a 356 is on our list of "want to buy one of these days", but the 912 doesn't make the list, but that's just me.
With that being said, it's tough to quantify better - they are all different, they have different strengths and weaknesses, and everyone has their own opinions. I certainly couldn't fault anyone for buying either a 356, a 912, or 914. |
euro911 |
Dec 12 2011, 09:37 PM
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I think everyone should have one of each (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif)
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vwsamba |
Dec 13 2011, 02:35 AM
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The short answer is NO. The 912 is much better. I have one of each and they all have their advantages but when i look out into the garage i usually take out the 912 as it is by far the best all rounder.
The 914 is a genius design,a sports car and a pickup truck in one with 2 trunks,targa top,30mpg,and go kart handling but is a pain to get in and out of all the time and has more cabin engine noise. The 912 has a lot more power,is well balanced,classic looks,30 mpg,easy to work on,is quiet and is like a normal car to get in and out of. Like the post above says you should have one of each but if you can only have one get a 912 |
corsepervita |
Dec 13 2011, 06:05 AM
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A well balanced answer! |
BK911 |
Dec 13 2011, 08:24 AM
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912s are awesome. Classic looks of a 911 without all the annoying horsepower. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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rgmrgm |
Dec 13 2011, 11:06 AM
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The root of my question is the marketplace valuation of the 914. A good condition 71 VW beetle commands more money than a good condition 71 914 1.7. I believe that most people understand what a vw bug is and as a result a market niche exists which explains the price. the 914 on the other hand is a marketplace oddity and very few people understand what it is. its not commonly identified as a classic sports car, but is more identified as a porsche imposter. If it initially came out as a vw sports car then it would probably have a greater market value than it does. dollar for dollar i believe a 914 is as good a small sports car as can be had today.
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mepstein |
Dec 13 2011, 11:16 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,273 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
The root of my question is the marketplace valuation of the 914. A good condition 71 VW beetle commands more money than a good condition 71 914 1.7. I believe that most people understand what a vw bug is and as a result a market niche exists which explains the price. the 914 on the other hand is a marketplace oddity and very few people understand what it is. its not commonly identified as a classic sports car, but is more identified as a porsche imposter. If it initially came out as a vw sports car then it would probably have a greater market value than it does. dollar for dollar i believe a 914 is as good a small sports car as can be had today. The 914 is a niche car, the niche is just smaller than the beetle. Hell, there's probably a niche of car people that like AMC pacers, hornets and gremlins. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) |
sww914 |
Dec 13 2011, 11:16 AM
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great thread
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