 Um...uh...this can't be good...., ...anyone wanna see my crack? |
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| naro914 |
 Feb 7 2012, 05:49 PM
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Losing my mind...  Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States  |
Sorry,...been so busy it's time for some updates:
Remember, somewhere in this thread i mentioned that there were two issues: the rear suspension console that i showed pictures of, and the front forward control arm mount point - yeah, that ripped right out of the front floor sheet metal too... So there are two projects going on, with the front one requiring a complete redesign of our oil cooler set up. So...for the rear I ordered the Raised Mounting Point kit from Chris Foley - Tangerine Racing. GREAT product, Duke my welder/fabricator (who works for a Nascar team as a chassis builder) said it was all top notch with templates, jigs and all. Very nicely done Chris! Anyway, first you have to cut out the entire mounting consoles:    |
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| naro914 |
Feb 7 2012, 05:54 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Next, you actually cut out into the frame rail, but I don't have any pictures of that.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
here are a few pictures of mounting the new consoles with the jigs (sorry, not great pictures from a camera phone)    |
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| BKLA |
Feb 7 2012, 05:56 PM
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Really old member Group: Members Posts: 1,253 Joined: 14-August 05 From: OR Member No.: 4,590 Region Association: Pacific Northwest 
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QUOTE(naro914 @ Feb 7 2012, 03:49 PM)  ...for the rear I ordered the Raised Mounting Point kit from Chris Foley - Tangerine Racing. GREAT product, Duke my welder/fabricator (who works for a Nascar team as a chassis builder) said it was all top notch with templates, jigs and all. Very nicely done Chris! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif) Be sure to post lots o' pics. I've been thinking about this for a future upgrade, but don't think i'll attempt by myself... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Your pic's may help me decide if its something I'll feel comfortable doing without help. Very Cool! |
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| naro914 |
Feb 7 2012, 05:59 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
After lots of cutting, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif) grinding and welding (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) , you have this:
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| naro914 |
Feb 7 2012, 06:02 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Finished up with all welding, and stripping it all to prep and paint, it looks like this: (note, these pictures were only taken yesterday 2/6/12)
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| naro914 |
Feb 7 2012, 06:07 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
OK, lets move on to the front. As I said, I didn't take a picture of the mount ripping through the sheet metal, but here's a few pictures of the brackets and support braces:
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| naro914 |
Feb 7 2012, 06:11 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Unfortunately, I didn't take a lot of pictures of the progress for the front as much was done while I was away, but here's the final look, cleaned up and painted. I needed the space on the floor to mount the cool shirt box, so it all fit nicely.
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| PeeGreen 914 |
Feb 7 2012, 06:21 PM
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Just when you think you're done...wait, there is more..lol Group: Members Posts: 10,219 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Seattle, WA... actually Everett Member No.: 6,884 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) Looking good (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)
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| dlee6204 |
Feb 7 2012, 06:53 PM
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Howdy Group: Members Posts: 2,162 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Burnsville, NC Member No.: 5,956 |
Looks good! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumb3d.gif)
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| naro914 |
Feb 7 2012, 07:35 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Yesterday I primed, today I painted the wheel wells:
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| naro914 |
Feb 7 2012, 07:37 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
One issue we ran into was that now, the oil tank that fits in the stock 914/6 location no longer fits. The console is up too high and encroaching on the tank. So, we cut a 'notch' into the tank:
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| mrbubblehead |
Feb 7 2012, 08:02 PM
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Twodollardoug Group: Members Posts: 1,155 Joined: 17-December 10 From: calimesa ca. Member No.: 12,492 Region Association: Southern California |
nice work. i am jealous.
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| tomeric914 |
Feb 7 2012, 10:38 PM
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One Lap of America in a 914! Group: Members Posts: 1,259 Joined: 25-May 08 From: Syracuse, NY Member No.: 9,101 Region Association: North East States
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Very, very nice!
Why did you change the oil cooler? EDIT: I missed it, looks like there was interference with the new braces. |
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| naro914 |
Feb 8 2012, 06:49 AM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(tomeric914 @ Feb 7 2012, 11:38 PM) .... looks like there was interference with the new braces. Exactly. Plus, i was always planning to change anyway - this just sped up that project. Our old cooler laid flat on the floor so the air would come into the shroud, then pass through the cooler on it's way out. its been VERY efficient, but eventually I want to have the hot air exit out the hood, not under the car where it's creating lift. When I get the nerve to cut a hole in the carbon fiber hood....we'll change the exit point (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| JmuRiz |
Feb 8 2012, 12:20 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,425 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Very cool stuff, looks seriously stout!
You mentioned your guy makes a really good engine mount, any more details on it? |
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| tomeric914 |
Feb 8 2012, 12:33 PM
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One Lap of America in a 914! Group: Members Posts: 1,259 Joined: 25-May 08 From: Syracuse, NY Member No.: 9,101 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(naro914 @ Feb 8 2012, 07:49 AM) ...but eventually I want to have the hot air exit out the hood, not under the car where it's creating lift. I ran a similar sized fan powered cooler out back that worked, but not enough so I am relocating to the front but am conflicted about the outlet. Bottom - would add lift Top - Adds complexity, plus I'm chickenshit to cut my hood Wheelwells - more complexity in ducting but I have the capability to design and build it This probably also has the likelihood of blasting hot air and brake dust into the cockpit as well. Why don't more folks duct into the wheelwells? |
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| naro914 |
Feb 8 2012, 04:12 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(tomeric914 @ Feb 8 2012, 01:33 PM) Why don't more folks duct into the wheelwells? I thought of doing this too, but was told not to by an aero guy and what he said makes sense: the space in front of your wheel-presumably where you would duct the air into- is a positive pressure space (think about the rotation of your wheel). Basically creating back pressure against your air flow from your cooler. |
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| tomeric914 |
Feb 8 2012, 05:33 PM
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One Lap of America in a 914! Group: Members Posts: 1,259 Joined: 25-May 08 From: Syracuse, NY Member No.: 9,101 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(naro914 @ Feb 8 2012, 05:12 PM) the space in front of your wheel... is a positive pressure space (think about the rotation of your wheel). Basically creating back pressure against your air flow from your cooler. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif), that's partially true, but the same could be said for air that gets past the air dam and flows under the car (in the case of dumping the air from the front mounted cooler under the car). There's no doubt that you want to duct from a high pressure area to the lowest pressure area possible, but that isn't always practical. I'm still drooling over the rear console rework. Great job! |
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| naro914 |
Feb 8 2012, 06:49 PM
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Losing my mind... Group: Members Posts: 2,476 Joined: 26-May 06 From: Charlotte, NC Member No.: 6,073 Region Association: South East States |
Actually under the car is negative pressure. That's why, at speed, a car with good aero actually sucks down to the ground.
This info is coming from a guy that's spent a lot of time in a wind tunnel... I believe him... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| ChrisFoley |
Feb 8 2012, 07:38 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,923 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(naro914 @ Feb 8 2012, 07:49 PM) Actually under the car is negative pressure. That's why, at speed, a car with good aero actually sucks down to the ground. Under the car is the second best place to dump the air. I know how well it works from the way I set up the oil cooler on my race car. SCCA Prod rules are very strict about not cutting holes in the bodywork and underbody so I had to get creative. My cooler air path is in through one fog light opening (cutting a same size hole in the panel behind is allowed) and out through the little holes behind the airdam. The vertical bumper opening has about the highest pressure of any part of the car and behind the air dam has about the lowest. My oil has never run cooler than it does with the current setup. In cool weather I can cover 1/3 to 1/2 of the inlet and still not overheat. The only downside is the increase in pressure under the car. At the speeds of FProd it wasn't much of a factor though. |
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