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post May 28 2017, 07:34 PM
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Today I completed the basic conversion process and drove the 3.0 up and down Pacific Coast Hwy. This, with unbelievable smooth acceleration with a cacophony of screaming sounds emanating from behind my behind even limited to 4K RPM for the first 500 miles.

At idle, it is fairly tame but if 1st gear is used with any force, invest in Goodyear stock. Other than tires, no smoke. None from the engine exhaust and a fantastic range of torque compared to my prior seated experiences in my two 914's of various displacements.

I have to thank Kieth914, Steve, Larmo63, and particularly Leamon who, today returned a call to me on his holiday Sunday and helped us pinpoint the issue down to one thin dime.

Literally. Short story is..... Kennedy Engineering specs on the ring gear, clutch disk, pressure plate and throwout bearing were correct. My resurface of the 911SC flywheel that came with my 3.0 core was done correctly.

What was NOT done correctly was developing an understanding of the minute slight teeny weenie infinitesimal fraction of throw that an outta-whack worn out clutch fork ball cup bushing can make.

If that 35 cent piece is not right, your world will never be right.

Leamon called and suggested committing a federal crime to solve the issue.

After three ins and outs of the tranny in as many days, I was willing to go to jail for another fix.

After crying on his shoulder explaining what Keith914 and I have done in the last two days, Leamon suggested to shave the outer edge of one thin dime to fit inside of the shift fork ball cup holder thereby returning the forks throw to a range that would disengage the clutch.

After the conversion process, I didn't have a dime left but to save me again, Kieth did. And Steve, who dedicated his Sunday to my shop and our debace knew from his experience, what the range of motion on the fork should be to actually disengage the clutch - and it is a fraction of a fraction.

We plucked the tranny out yet again, and wrestled it to a table and committed the crime of destroying US currency - One Thin Dime. Once shaved to fit in the fork, the ball cup plastic absurd "busing" was reinserted. Steve observed the pedal flex in the cabin, while Kieth adjusted those ridiculous 11MM wrench nuts on the clutch cable. Once the tension was correct.........Viola! Gears.
All of them.

I fired up the beast and drove out of the shop for a very pensive run thru the gears and rpm range to 4K set to limit that on the MSD until I get some mile under the belt.

Then I took Steve to lunch at a high end restaurant in Orange County (Bob's Burgers) and he split for other less fun things...... Honey Do's.....

I towed the car home and disconnected it from the tow bar. I then had my lovely wife drive the tow vehicle an eighth of a mile home and I went for a drive. The difference is really something. These cars are made for a six. It now quells my interest in another 911. I have a 911 in sheep's clothing. The standard 914 badges stays.

They will figure it out off the line once this thing is properly broke in. Thanks for all the help along the way guys.

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I had a brand new cup for you if you would have asked, Forrest. Glad all worked out.

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I fiddled with getting my Scheel seats to glide in the tracks today. I also drilled out & ditched those pesky "safety" tabs that are hard to pry up while you try to slide a set of 914 seats out of their tracks. After a few ins and outs, the seats didn't want to cooperate and slide, so I decided to put washers in between the seat tracks and the really thick vinyl at the bottom of these seats.

Voila!! That was the trick!!! *shimming reference

Now they are as easy as a downtown hooker at midnight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)

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QUOTE(forrestkhaag @ May 28 2017, 06:34 PM) *
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I have to thank Kieth914, Steve, Larmo63, and particularly Leamon who, today returned a call to me on his holiday Sunday and helped us pinpoint the issue down to one thin dime.

Literally. Short story is..... Kennedy Engineering specs on the ring gear, clutch disk, pressure plate and throwout bearing were correct. My resurface of the 911SC flywheel that came with my 3.0 core was done correctly.

What was NOT done correctly was developing an understanding of the minute slight teeny weenie infinitesimal fraction of throw that an outta-whack worn out clutch fork ball cup bushing can make.

If that 35 cent piece is not right, your world will never be right.

Leamon called and suggested committing a federal crime to solve the issue.

After three ins and outs of the tranny in as many days, I was willing to go to jail for another fix.

After crying on his shoulder explaining what Keith914 and I have done in the last two days, Leamon suggested to shave the outer edge of one thin dime to fit inside of the shift fork ball cup holder thereby returning the forks throw to a range that would disengage the clutch.

After the conversion process, I didn't have a dime left but to save me again, Kieth did. And Steve, who dedicated his Sunday to my shop and our debace knew from his experience, what the range of motion on the fork should be to actually disengage the clutch - and it is a fraction of a fraction.

We plucked the tranny out yet again, and wrestled it to a table and committed the crime of destroying US currency - One Thin Dime. Once shaved to fit in the fork, the ball cup plastic absurd "busing" was reinserted. Steve observed the pedal flex in the cabin, while Kieth adjusted those ridiculous 11MM wrench nuts on the clutch cable. Once the tension was correct.........Viola! Gears.
All of them.
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Shimming the pivot bolt as I suggested in post 8911 would have provided the fix as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)
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"Shimming" is a popular topic tonight.....?
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QUOTE(forrestkhaag @ May 29 2017, 01:34 PM) *

Today I completed the basic conversion process and drove the 3.0 up and down Pacific Coast Hwy. This, with unbelievable smooth acceleration with a cacophony of screaming sounds emanating from behind my behind even limited to 4K RPM for the first 500 miles.

At idle, it is fairly tame but if 1st gear is used with any force, invest in Goodyear stock. Other than tires, no smoke. None from the engine exhaust and a fantastic range of torque compared to my prior seated experiences in my two 914's of various displacements.

I have to thank Kieth914, Steve, Larmo63, and particularly Leamon who, today returned a call to me on his holiday Sunday and helped us pinpoint the issue down to one thin dime.

Literally. Short story is..... Kennedy Engineering specs on the ring gear, clutch disk, pressure plate and throwout bearing were correct. My resurface of the 911SC flywheel that came with my 3.0 core was done correctly.

What was NOT done correctly was developing an understanding of the minute slight teeny weenie infinitesimal fraction of throw that an outta-whack worn out clutch fork ball cup bushing can make.

If that 35 cent piece is not right, your world will never be right.

Leamon called and suggested committing a federal crime to solve the issue.

After three ins and outs of the tranny in as many days, I was willing to go to jail for another fix.

After crying on his shoulder explaining what Keith914 and I have done in the last two days, Leamon suggested to shave the outer edge of one thin dime to fit inside of the shift fork ball cup holder thereby returning the forks throw to a range that would disengage the clutch.

After the conversion process, I didn't have a dime left but to save me again, Kieth did. And Steve, who dedicated his Sunday to my shop and our debace knew from his experience, what the range of motion on the fork should be to actually disengage the clutch - and it is a fraction of a fraction.

We plucked the tranny out yet again, and wrestled it to a table and committed the crime of destroying US currency - One Thin Dime. Once shaved to fit in the fork, the ball cup plastic absurd "busing" was reinserted. Steve observed the pedal flex in the cabin, while Kieth adjusted those ridiculous 11MM wrench nuts on the clutch cable. Once the tension was correct.........Viola! Gears.
All of them.

I fired up the beast and drove out of the shop for a very pensive run thru the gears and rpm range to 4K set to limit that on the MSD until I get some mile under the belt.

Then I took Steve to lunch at a high end restaurant in Orange County (Bob's Burgers) and he split for other less fun things...... Honey Do's.....

I towed the car home and disconnected it from the tow bar. I then had my lovely wife drive the tow vehicle an eighth of a mile home and I went for a drive. The difference is really something. These cars are made for a six. It now quells my interest in another 911. I have a 911 in sheep's clothing. The standard 914 badges stays.

They will figure it out off the line once this thing is properly broke in. Thanks for all the help along the way guys.

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Epic so pleased for you,it is a sound you don't forget,3K up and you are off...very quickly to the next gear and repeat,repeat again,keep them on the boil and its all there,truck loads of fun.
Yes they should have carried on making more six cylinder cars but there was an issue of what they cost...that killed them.
The 911 is overrated ,been in some early ones and the interior is small and the bum wigglys everwhere, I find mine just squats down and eats corners no early 911 can do that.
Have you managed to get Lawrence in the car???.
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post May 28 2017, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE(euro911 @ May 28 2017, 08:15 PM) *

QUOTE(forrestkhaag @ May 28 2017, 06:34 PM) *
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I have to thank Kieth914, Steve, Larmo63, and particularly Leamon who, today returned a call to me on his holiday Sunday and helped us pinpoint the issue down to one thin dime.

Literally. Short story is..... Kennedy Engineering specs on the ring gear, clutch disk, pressure plate and throwout bearing were correct. My resurface of the 911SC flywheel that came with my 3.0 core was done correctly.

What was NOT done correctly was developing an understanding of the minute slight teeny weenie infinitesimal fraction of throw that an outta-whack worn out clutch fork ball cup bushing can make.

If that 35 cent piece is not right, your world will never be right.

Leamon called and suggested committing a federal crime to solve the issue.

After three ins and outs of the tranny in as many days, I was willing to go to jail for another fix.

After crying on his shoulder explaining what Keith914 and I have done in the last two days, Leamon suggested to shave the outer edge of one thin dime to fit inside of the shift fork ball cup holder thereby returning the forks throw to a range that would disengage the clutch.

After the conversion process, I didn't have a dime left but to save me again, Kieth did. And Steve, who dedicated his Sunday to my shop and our debace knew from his experience, what the range of motion on the fork should be to actually disengage the clutch - and it is a fraction of a fraction.

We plucked the tranny out yet again, and wrestled it to a table and committed the crime of destroying US currency - One Thin Dime. Once shaved to fit in the fork, the ball cup plastic absurd "busing" was reinserted. Steve observed the pedal flex in the cabin, while Kieth adjusted those ridiculous 11MM wrench nuts on the clutch cable. Once the tension was correct.........Viola! Gears.
All of them.
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Shimming the pivot bolt as I suggested in post 8911 would have provided the fix as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/slap.gif)

I suggested the same thing in his other thread. That was the first thing we checked today and it was already shimmed. We didn't want to add another shim or there wouldn't be enough threads for the ball. We then noticed the cup was worn out on the bottom. Leamon suggested putting a dime under the cup. Since we didn't have another cup, the dime worked perfectly. After getting the correct free play in the clutch cable all was well. It was fun working with Keith and Forrest. Lifting the trans in and out with multiple people also helps. Always awesome to see the maiden voyage of these six conversions. Glad I was able to be there!!
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QUOTE(forrestkhaag @ May 28 2017, 06:34 PM) *

Today I completed the basic conversion process and drove the 3.0 up and down Pacific Coast Hwy. This, with unbelievable smooth acceleration with a cacophony of screaming sounds emanating from behind my behind even limited to 4K RPM for the first 500 miles.

At idle, it is fairly tame but if 1st gear is used with any force, invest in Goodyear stock. Other than tires, no smoke. None from the engine exhaust and a fantastic range of torque compared to my prior seated experiences in my two 914's of various displacements.

I have to thank Kieth914, Steve, Larmo63, and particularly Leamon who, today returned a call to me on his holiday Sunday and helped us pinpoint the issue down to one thin dime.

Literally. Short story is..... Kennedy Engineering specs on the ring gear, clutch disk, pressure plate and throwout bearing were correct. My resurface of the 911SC flywheel that came with my 3.0 core was done correctly.

What was NOT done correctly was developing an understanding of the minute slight teeny weenie infinitesimal fraction of throw that an outta-whack worn out clutch fork ball cup bushing can make.

If that 35 cent piece is not right, your world will never be right.

Leamon called and suggested committing a federal crime to solve the issue.

After three ins and outs of the tranny in as many days, I was willing to go to jail for another fix.

After crying on his shoulder explaining what Keith914 and I have done in the last two days, Leamon suggested to shave the outer edge of one thin dime to fit inside of the shift fork ball cup holder thereby returning the forks throw to a range that would disengage the clutch.

After the conversion process, I didn't have a dime left but to save me again, Kieth did. And Steve, who dedicated his Sunday to my shop and our debace knew from his experience, what the range of motion on the fork should be to actually disengage the clutch - and it is a fraction of a fraction.

We plucked the tranny out yet again, and wrestled it to a table and committed the crime of destroying US currency - One Thin Dime. Once shaved to fit in the fork, the ball cup plastic absurd "busing" was reinserted. Steve observed the pedal flex in the cabin, while Kieth adjusted those ridiculous 11MM wrench nuts on the clutch cable. Once the tension was correct.........Viola! Gears.
All of them.

I fired up the beast and drove out of the shop for a very pensive run thru the gears and rpm range to 4K set to limit that on the MSD until I get some mile under the belt.

Then I took Steve to lunch at a high end restaurant in Orange County (Bob's Burgers) and he split for other less fun things...... Honey Do's.....

I towed the car home and disconnected it from the tow bar. I then had my lovely wife drive the tow vehicle an eighth of a mile home and I went for a drive. The difference is really something. These cars are made for a six. It now quells my interest in another 911. I have a 911 in sheep's clothing. The standard 914 badges stays.

They will figure it out off the line once this thing is properly broke in. Thanks for all the help along the way guys.

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Congratulations!! Glad I was able to be there to witness the maiden voyage!!
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I hadn't heard the bolt was already shimmed. I have some extra good T/O arms, but looks like the dime bag did the trick. I'll have to remember that trick (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Glad to hear it's finally on the road, Forrest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)


Question ... Did you guys use NEW schnoor washers on the CVs every time you reinstallted the tranny?
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Did some unmentionable experiments with the Brembos... they now fit 3 inch caliper ears on the struts.
Also pulled my seat covers for a good washing. Got inventive with some new foam from the local upholsterers - turned out pretty nice and just in time to sit in and watch F1!
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QUOTE(forrestkhaag @ May 28 2017, 06:34 PM) *

Today I completed the basic conversion process and drove the 3.0 up and down Pacific Coast Hwy. This, with unbelievable smooth acceleration with a cacophony of screaming sounds emanating from behind my behind even limited to 4K RPM for the first 500 miles.

At idle, it is fairly tame but if 1st gear is used with any force, invest in Goodyear stock. Other than tires, no smoke. None from the engine exhaust and a fantastic range of torque compared to my prior seated experiences in my two 914's of various displacements.

I have to thank Kieth914, Steve, Larmo63, and particularly Leamon who, today returned a call to me on his holiday Sunday and helped us pinpoint the issue down to one thin dime.

Literally. Short story is..... Kennedy Engineering specs on the ring gear, clutch disk, pressure plate and throwout bearing were correct. My resurface of the 911SC flywheel that came with my 3.0 core was done correctly.

What was NOT done correctly was developing an understanding of the minute slight teeny weenie infinitesimal fraction of throw that an outta-whack worn out clutch fork ball cup bushing can make.

If that 35 cent piece is not right, your world will never be right.

Leamon called and suggested committing a federal crime to solve the issue.

After three ins and outs of the tranny in as many days, I was willing to go to jail for another fix.

After crying on his shoulder explaining what Keith914 and I have done in the last two days, Leamon suggested to shave the outer edge of one thin dime to fit inside of the shift fork ball cup holder thereby returning the forks throw to a range that would disengage the clutch.

After the conversion process, I didn't have a dime left but to save me again, Kieth did.
And Steve, who dedicated his Sunday to my shop and our debace knew from his experience, what the range of motion on the fork should be to actually disengage the clutch - and it is a fraction of a fraction.

We plucked the tranny out yet again, and wrestled it to a table and committed the crime of destroying US currency - One Thin Dime. Once shaved to fit in the fork, the ball cup plastic absurd "busing" was reinserted. Steve observed the pedal flex in the cabin, while Kieth adjusted those ridiculous 11MM wrench nuts on the clutch cable. Once the tension was correct.........Viola! Gears.
All of them.

I fired up the beast and drove out of the shop for a very pensive run thru the gears and rpm range to 4K set to limit that on the MSD until I get some mile under the belt.

Then I took Steve to lunch at a high end restaurant in Orange County (Bob's Burgers) and he split for other less fun things...... Honey Do's.....

I towed the car home and disconnected it from the tow bar. I then had my lovely wife drive the tow vehicle an eighth of a mile home and I went for a drive. The difference is really something. These cars are made for a six. It now quells my interest in another 911. I have a 911 in sheep's clothing. The standard 914 badges stays.

They will figure it out off the line once this thing is properly broke in. Thanks for all the help along the way guys.

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QUOTE(Larmo63 @ May 28 2017, 07:13 PM) *

I fiddled with getting my Scheel seats to glide in the tracks today. I also drilled out & ditched those pesky "safety" tabs that are hard to pry up while you try to slide a set of 914 seats out of their tracks. After a few ins and outs, the seats didn't want to cooperate and slide, so I decided to put washers in between the seat tracks and the really thick vinyl at the bottom of these seats.

Voila!! That was the trick!!! *shimming reference

Now they are as easy as a downtown hooker at midnight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)

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Lookin good!!! I bought a single GTS Lemans seat a while back.. Same problem. I had to shim it or the springs caught on the cross rails. PIA.....
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QUOTE(mlindner @ May 29 2017, 06:08 AM) *

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Curious is there a big difference on how it feels while driving?
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QUOTE(euro911 @ May 28 2017, 10:57 PM) *

I hadn't heard the bolt was already shimmed. I have some extra good T/O arms, but looks like the dime bag did the trick. I'll have to remember that trick (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Glad to hear it's finally on the road, Forrest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)


Question ... Did you guys use NEW schnoor washers on the CVs every time you reinstallted the tranny?

Thanks Mark. We just noticed there was already a shim there when we took it apart yesterday. Yep good advice on the Schnoor washers. We just buttoned it up to get it drive-able. The rest is just cleanup and tweaking while he drives it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Looking good and sounds awesome!!
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Steve, car has been apart for 30 years and not on the road yet...so lets say it a big difference in handling. But going together one nut/bolt at a time. Best, Mark
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