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| Tom_T |
 Dec 22 2011, 01:46 PM
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TMI....  Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California 
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Rob, they are planning to do exactly what you said - a joint platform sharing program with their new owners - VW - although there will be a difference in the models/styling/motors in all likelihood. Hans L - who has the #2 production 70 914-6 on here - works for the VW-Audi design studio in Santa Monica & was involved with the design of some of the show car/prototypes for that VW 2-seater program (I think including the one below).
VW's "Concept R" from article at link below:  http://www.autoweek.com/article/20080722/FREE/662581032 There is a company in SoCal doing 356 & 550 repros, as is the prior Beck 550 repro that most of you here have probably seen (don't know if Beck still does them down in Brazil for import here or not). There is also a group building street legal repro 917s powered by modern waterboxer 911 motors. A guy brought his out to Porsches & Doughnuts here in OC a few months back & IIRC it had a 3.8L H-6 & done to full scale in the GULF livery as in this old ad/promo pic:  Does the idea of driving a street legal knock-off of that get anyone's juices flowing? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
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| Andyrew |
Dec 22 2011, 02:29 PM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(RobW @ Dec 22 2011, 05:39 AM)  The Boxster run will die. Even if they refresh it, it will become a tired line. The problem with a new 914 is that the cars are just too small. I thought the new CRZ would be a huge hit, but the size is just off. Porsche is also selling a ton of 4 doors these days. The only shot I see of a Porsche 914 is another cobranded VW offering. I thought the CRZ would be a huge hit as well, However they are only offering a hybrid model at the moment.. If they would just put in a regular 125HP 1.6L engine in as a "base" model they would sell quite a few of those IMHO. However there are still some serious issues with that car and many modern cars. they are designed for style and not practicality. the biggest issue with the CRZ in my opinion (asside from low performance for the money) is looking through the rear view mirror. If you have ever been in a CRX one of the main draw points is its practicality, you look in the rear view mirror or turn your head around to merge and you can see everything! The CRZ has a HUGE blind spot! They need a base model, and an SI model to really sell that car. They are not being serious with that CRZ chassis they have at the moment. I mean seriously? 40mpg on the smallest hybrid availible? Give it a standard motor, the car will do that with a standard motor and all the hybrid gizmo's removed (weight savings). |
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| zymurgist |
Dec 22 2011, 02:59 PM
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"Ace" Mechanic Group: Members Posts: 7,411 Joined: 9-June 05 From: Hagerstown, MD Member No.: 4,238 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Andyrew @ Dec 22 2011, 03:29 PM) They need a base model, and an SI model to really sell that car. They are not being serious with that CRZ chassis they have at the moment. I mean seriously? 40mpg on the smallest hybrid availible? Give it a standard motor, the car will do that with a standard motor and all the hybrid gizmo's removed (weight savings). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I would buy one with a K20A3 motor in it. Regular gas, timing CHAIN, and plenty powerful for a daily commute. Hey, my RSX ain't gonna last forever. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| 7275914911 |
Dec 22 2011, 03:34 PM
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Hummmm!!! Group: Members Posts: 756 Joined: 7-May 08 From: Mid-South Member No.: 9,028 Region Association: South East States
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QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Dec 22 2011, 12:18 AM) attachmentid=288072 I lost the rendering in cyberspace... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I think this turned out very mazda MX-5 looking?? |
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| Tom_T |
Dec 22 2011, 03:45 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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Now that we're kid free, I might pop for a new "Retro 914" as a DD. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif)
... gee, that would be car number 6 for me since 1969 ....ever.... not counting my parents cars nor my son's/kids' cars. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) I don't think it was the CRZ's nor 914's size being too small Rob, nor would it be for a smaller 914-ish sub-Boxster, so long as you're not trying to cart around a family/etc. Honda missed the boat on the new CRZ with lack of a sport set-up & wider range - and the back seat comes in handy for most since it's NOT an S2000. The Hybrid CRZ should be 50-60 mpg, cuz the standard & lighter Civic gas I-4 easily get in the 40's! The small CRX of the 80's period was the hot ticket, and the rest of their Civic sedan & HB rounded out the line & engine choices. One guy in PCA OCR AX's his 87-88 HB:  . My son's 88 Honda Civic Hatchback DL has the base 1.5L, & he's getting 40-42 mpg on the highway & mid 30's around town. I mostly got 35-38 driving it back to Ft Drum NY for him this last July - primarily because it has no AC & it was 100+ on the heat wave of the century all the way, & having the windows down screwed the aerodynamics enough to knock 20-25% off the mpg. I did get 42 mpg on one tank in N. AZ up I-17 & down I-40 around Flagstaff at night when it was cool enough to close the windows. Here's a pic of my son's 88 Honda HB, at about 124k miles, after we finished the refurb/rolling-resto in April 09, after his uncle left it sit in a storage lot for 5+ years (it's been in the family since new with my wife's 2 brothers, before the last to own it passed away in 08) -  . I did a refresh & paint chip touch-up & had it serviced in June, then drove it 3200 miles to him - now at about 157k miles, so he'd have wheels on post:  > Dang! ....spilled my coffee again on my Johannes' "914 Comin-n-Goin" T-shirt! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) > As I (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif) he's driving it down to my brother's house in VA near DC for Xmas, and he drove 1200 mi each way to my daughter's for T-giving in Asheville NC. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| dlkawashima |
Dec 22 2011, 05:27 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,749 Joined: 1-October 10 From: San Jose Member No.: 12,234 Region Association: Northern California |
Just adding "The Dean" pics in here ... for posterity.
http://europeancar.automotive.com/69667/ep...ster/index.html From the Pelican board: (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/forums.pelicanparts.com-12234-1324596428.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/forums.pelicanparts.com-12234-1324596428.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/forums.pelicanparts.com-12234-1324596429.3.jpg) |
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| 914.SBC |
Dec 22 2011, 08:12 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 248 Joined: 12-December 10 From: CORONA, CA Member No.: 12,479 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Dec 22 2011, 03:27 PM) Just adding "The Dean" pics in here ... for posterity. http://europeancar.automotive.com/69667/ep...ster/index.html From the Pelican board: That is a beautiful machine. |
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| JmuRiz |
Dec 22 2011, 08:17 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,434 Joined: 30-December 02 From: NoVA Member No.: 50 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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Yikes!
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| struckn |
Dec 22 2011, 09:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,069 Joined: 9-November 11 From: South Central York Pennsyvania Member No.: 13,764 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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| SirAndy |
Dec 22 2011, 09:33 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,676 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Dec 22 2011, 03:27 PM) Just adding "The Dean" pics in here ... for posterity. The rear isn't too bad but the front just looks all wrong ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon8.gif) |
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| dlkawashima |
Dec 22 2011, 10:52 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,749 Joined: 1-October 10 From: San Jose Member No.: 12,234 Region Association: Northern California |
Another ...
Nathan Wells concept: http://www.coroflot.com/wellsnj/914-concept (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/s3images.coroflot.com-12234-1324615937.1.jpg)(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/s3images.coroflot.com-12234-1324615937.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/s3images.coroflot.com-12234-1324615938.3.jpg)(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/s3images.coroflot.com-12234-1324615939.4.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/s3images.coroflot.com-12234-1324615939.5.jpg)(IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/s3images.coroflot.com-12234-1324615940.6.jpg) |
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| Tom_T |
Dec 23 2011, 01:37 AM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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That side view of the Wells 914-S Concept looks too much like a Disney Cars movie character - I just don't like the scrunched up look & odd roof lines.
Matt Murphy's 914 concept is a bit better, but the belt-line seems too high and the F&R ends too truncated & tall. The Boxster-nee-550 is a nice try, but just doesn't have the sleek lines of the real 550 or Beck's/other replic-cars. Just IMHO to my eyes! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Being old school in the design biz, I do like to see real paper & pen/pencil sketches like Wells & Murphy did. |
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| Andyrew |
Dec 23 2011, 09:39 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Dec 22 2011, 08:52 PM) Another ... Nathan Wells concept: This thing is ugly... |
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| Dave_Darling |
Dec 23 2011, 11:44 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,991 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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The pencil sketches look better than the computer renderings. The high front/low rear and odd line of the rear buttress got exaggerated in the computer rendering, making the car look very cartoonish and not very attractive to my eyes.
It looks pretty decent from the front 3/4 view, but that's probably because it mostly hides the "backwards" taper from that angle. I think. --DD |
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| AZ914 |
Dec 23 2011, 03:26 PM
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914 Dumbass Group: Members Posts: 1,459 Joined: 6-January 03 From: Sunny Tucson Member No.: 98 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Just targa-size a Cayman.. done.
Someone actually suggested that over on Planet9 (cayman forum) and was crucified. Guess its not a popular choice with the Cayman crowd. |
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| dlkawashima |
Dec 23 2011, 04:18 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,749 Joined: 1-October 10 From: San Jose Member No.: 12,234 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(AZ914 @ Dec 23 2011, 01:26 PM) Just targa-size a Cayman.. done. Someone actually suggested that over on Planet9 (cayman forum) and was crucified. Guess its not a popular choice with the Cayman crowd. (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.planet-9.com-12234-1324678685.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.planet-9.com-12234-1324678685.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/www.kistudios.com-12234-1324678686.3.jpg) (IMG:https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aHoPAxeOrEY/TXkiz-9CYcI/AAAAAAAAEFY/rMvouF4Gndc/s1600/CaymanTarga2012.jpg) |
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| dlkawashima |
Dec 23 2011, 04:22 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,749 Joined: 1-October 10 From: San Jose Member No.: 12,234 Region Association: Northern California |
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| Rand |
Dec 23 2011, 04:37 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
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| dlkawashima |
Dec 23 2011, 11:33 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 9,749 Joined: 1-October 10 From: San Jose Member No.: 12,234 Region Association: Northern California |
stop me if you've heard this before, but supposedly 2013-2014 ...
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| Tom_T |
Dec 26 2011, 04:04 PM
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TMI.... Group: Members Posts: 8,318 Joined: 19-March 09 From: Orange, CA Member No.: 10,181 Region Association: Southern California
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Every few weeks or so Dave - in Autoweek, PCA newsletter, etc.! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
IIRC - The Porsche is an artist conception of what they think the "new 550" concept will look like, and the VW & Audi are probably too, albeit they're design studies have been put out by VW/Audi so may be closer to actual. QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Dec 23 2011, 09:33 PM) stop me if you've heard this before, but supposedly 2013-2014 ...  |
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