 Installing New Rings, What's the best Process? |
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| aharder |
 Jan 9 2012, 09:51 PM
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Advanced Member  Group: Members Posts: 4,393 Joined: 6-September 11 From: Dallas Texas Member No.: 13,524 Region Association: Southwest Region 
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I'm installing new rings in my 1.8 and I've been told two different processes so
I wanted to get your input as to which one is best I was told that you can pull the cylinders and leave the pistons on the rod and replace the ring and then install the cylinder back on the piston while it is still connected to the rod. I was also told that you can remove the piston from the rod and replace the rings and put the piston back in the cylinder while not connected to the rod and then connect back to the rod. What do you think (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| aircooledtechguy |
Jan 10 2012, 12:13 AM
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The Aircooledtech Guy Group: Members Posts: 1,966 Joined: 8-November 08 From: Anacortes, WA Member No.: 9,730 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(aharder @ Jan 9 2012, 07:51 PM)  I'm installing new rings in my 1.8 and I've been told two different processes so I wanted to get your input as to which one is best I was told that you can pull the cylinders and leave the pistons on the rod and replace the ring and then install the cylinder back on the piston while it is still connected to the rod. I was also told that you can remove the piston from the rod and replace the rings and put the piston back in the cylinder while not connected to the rod and then connect back to the rod. What do you think (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Whenever I build a motor, I have always set-up the pistons/rings first, then installed them into the prepped cylinders. Then I install them as a complete unit onto the ends of the rods and finally the case. I find it a LOT easier than trying to mess with doing the rings on a flopping rod and maneuvering a ring compressor around the 4 studs to remove it. . . Why hassle with that if you don't have to???? |
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| Valy |
Jan 10 2012, 12:27 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,675 Joined: 6-April 10 From: Sunnyvale, CA Member No.: 11,573 Region Association: Northern California |
It's easier to replace the rings without taking the pistons off the rods. You save yourself the trouble of taking the circlips off.
BUT, you need a ring compressor that you can take off around the piston. |
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| JFJ914 |
Jan 10 2012, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(Valy @ Jan 10 2012, 01:27 AM) It's easier to replace the rings without taking the pistons off the rods. You save yourself the trouble of taking the circlips off. BUT, you need a ring compressor that you can take off around the piston. How do you clean all the crap out of the ring lands with the pistons still installed????? |
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| aircooledtechguy |
Jan 10 2012, 10:50 AM
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The Aircooledtech Guy Group: Members Posts: 1,966 Joined: 8-November 08 From: Anacortes, WA Member No.: 9,730 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(John Jentz @ Jan 10 2012, 08:40 AM) QUOTE(Valy @ Jan 10 2012, 01:27 AM) It's easier to replace the rings without taking the pistons off the rods. You save yourself the trouble of taking the circlips off. BUT, you need a ring compressor that you can take off around the piston. How do you clean all the crap out of the ring lands with the pistons still installed????? That's just another reason I remove them from the rods. . . Everything is made more difficult IMHO with the pistons hanging on the rods surrounded by the head studs. |
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| Mark Henry |
Jan 10 2012, 11:06 AM
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that's what I do! Group: Members Posts: 20,065 Joined: 27-December 02 From: Port Hope, Ontario Member No.: 26 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(John Jentz @ Jan 10 2012, 11:40 AM) QUOTE(Valy @ Jan 10 2012, 01:27 AM) It's easier to replace the rings without taking the pistons off the rods. You save yourself the trouble of taking the circlips off. BUT, you need a ring compressor that you can take off around the piston. How do you clean all the crap out of the ring lands with the pistons still installed????? Exactly. I've seen guys split the cylinder and/or break rings forcing a piston in without cleaning the lands. |
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| JFJ914 |
Jan 10 2012, 11:18 AM
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Senior Member Group: Benefactors Posts: 813 Joined: 13-June 03 From: Alpharetta, GA Member No.: 814 Region Association: South East States
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Are you going to get the ridge at the top of the cyl removed so you don't break the top ring when you start it? The cyl's also require honing and that requires the cyl to be clamped in a fixture duplicating the block/head so the cyl will stay round.
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| aharder |
Jan 10 2012, 12:11 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,393 Joined: 6-September 11 From: Dallas Texas Member No.: 13,524 Region Association: Southwest Region
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QUOTE(John Jentz @ Jan 10 2012, 11:18 AM) Are you going to get the ridge at the top of the cyl removed so you don't break the top ring when you start it? The cyl's also require honing and that requires the cyl to be clamped in a fixture duplicating the block/head so the cyl will stay round. No lip at the top of the cylinders, and honing is part of the process (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Jan 10 2012, 01:26 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,642 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(John Jentz @ Jan 10 2012, 08:40 AM) QUOTE(Valy @ Jan 10 2012, 01:27 AM) It's easier to replace the rings without taking the pistons off the rods. You save yourself the trouble of taking the circlips off. BUT, you need a ring compressor that you can take off around the piston. How do you clean all the crap out of the ring lands with the pistons still installed????? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Not much experience with T4s, but back in my dirt-bike racing days, i used to replace pistons and/or rings on a weekly basis (or so it seems). Much easier to just pop the two circlips and take the piston off, give it a good cleaning, put on new rings, slide it back into the cylinder and then connect it back to the rod. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) |
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