 914/6 engine sheetmetal Question, need info |
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| robicurp |
 Aug 30 2004, 09:59 PM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Tulsa, Oklahoma Member No.: 2,659  |
Hello all,
I'm new to the aircoold porsche world. I just traded my 944S for a 74 914/6 conversion. My new car is running and driving but not finished. It has a 2.2 liter six with webers and headers. There is none of the sheet metal that is supposed to surround the engine. My completely ignorant questions are: what is the consequences of leaving this metal off? Will the engine run hot at the autocross track? I've also got some floor rust to repair around the pedals, any tricks, hints or advice on the best sources of repair panels? Any other little known areas to look for rust? I know about the battery tray, engine shelf and supension conole issues. Thanks, Robicurp |
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| campbellcj |
Aug 30 2004, 10:08 PM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,543 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California 
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I would be worried about heat issues in street/autox use with no tin. Track cars that are almost always moving -can- get away without it but my big concern was more about dirt and road objects flying up into the engine compartment. That engine fan could suck up all kinds of sticks, sand, road kills, papers, and whatever else you drove over. That could be bad news.
I dunno much about your rust Q's as it's (thankfully) nothing I have had to deal with thus far. I know your basic options are to find repro sheet metal, fabricate your own bits, or cut up a parts car... Knowing how to weld (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) would be a major plus as any significant repairs like this at a shop would be $$$$ |
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| seanery |
Aug 30 2004, 11:12 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,852 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
sheet metal is readily available, but can get spendy.
I have the metal reproductions from Patrick Motorsports. It took 2 tries to get the right stuff, but it's pretty nice. I think I may try fiberglass for whitey's conversion though. |
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| john rogers |
Aug 31 2004, 12:05 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,525 Joined: 4-March 03 From: Chula Vista CA Member No.: 391 |
As noted, the tin AND seals keep the heat and dirt down below where it can get sucked into the fan and then all over the engine, cylinder fins and attached oil cooler. Three ways to go, stock Porsche = big $$$$, fiberglass is cheaper but prone to cracks around the attaching screw holes or aftermarket metal and I too used Patrick's but mine fit pretty well even all the holes lined up where panels connected. I think my seals came from Porsche, but I forget? Good luck
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| Root_Werks |
Aug 31 2004, 10:36 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,315 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Search the forums for this topic and I am sure you will find some good tips. I make my own, other people spend money. Be carefule of the fiberglass stuff. Some of the mounting points done have much material where the bolts go in and can crack. Plus any movement of the engine can tear away at the glass over time. I have seen a couple glass tin sets come off. Metal is the way to go. Here is what I have made in the past:
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| Root_Werks |
Aug 31 2004, 10:39 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,315 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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One more shot. I take a 4cyl rear tin piece, turn it around and use that. I do have the other 2 templates for making the 914-6 rear tin peices, but using the one piece 4cyl rear piece is easier. You don't have to make anything, just drill a couple of holes, bend one small area and it even fits good.
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| Cap'n Krusty |
Aug 31 2004, 10:45 AM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
Might wanna talk top Dave at GPR. He has nice sheetmetal sets. The Cap'n
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| Root_Werks |
Aug 31 2004, 12:13 PM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,315 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Yes, Dave at GPR has a nice metal tin set, good fit.
1-800-321-5432 Ext 502 to get to Dave direct. |
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| robicurp |
Aug 31 2004, 09:35 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Tulsa, Oklahoma Member No.: 2,659 |
Thanks for all the good advice. I like the idea of using the 4cyl pieces. I also thought about attempting to make some tin pieces since my car has some non std oil lines running to a tank up on the bulkhead on the drivers side. I can't wait to get this thing on the road. Gotta do some rust welding first though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)
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| bryanthompson |
Aug 31 2004, 10:20 PM
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Check it out... 3 loops! Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 23-April 04 From: elwood, ne Member No.: 1,970 |
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i always wanted to use that... How do you like the 914 vs the 944? |
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| SirAndy |
Aug 31 2004, 10:27 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,623 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(robicurp @ Aug 30 2004, 08:59 PM) what is the consequences of leaving this metal off? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) with the replies above ... you'll cook your engine without the tin! if you can't get your hands on some real 914-6 sheetmetal, go and look for fiberglass replicas, i know for sure that AIR sells them ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Andy |
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| Trekkor |
Aug 31 2004, 10:41 PM
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I do things... Group: Members Posts: 7,809 Joined: 2-December 03 From: Napa, Ca Member No.: 1,413 Region Association: Northern California |
I like Root's metal (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) .
I will attempt to make my own, too. If it's funky...I won't show you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol2.gif) KT |
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| campbellcj |
Sep 1 2004, 12:26 AM
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I can't Re Member Group: Members Posts: 4,543 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Agoura, CA Member No.: 21 Region Association: Southern California
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FWIW "ditto" on the GPR sheet metal. Good quality, price, and service...
If you have the inclination I would advise getting it powder coated as it is a tough environment for regular paint to survive. I have already had to touch up mine in barely a year. |
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| robicurp |
Sep 1 2004, 12:09 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: 30-August 04 From: Tulsa, Oklahoma Member No.: 2,659 |
Reply to Bryan,
I really liked my 944S. It handles great, very neutral and easy to control oversteer on the autocross course. It also makes a great daily driver. It was my only car for 5 years. However, The 914's beat everyone on our tight autocross courses here, even allwheel drive 996 turbos (barley). I tried running my Mini Cooper against them and did much better than in the 944S. Since I now have the mini for a daily driver, I decided to get into 914's. Actually I have very little experience driving 914's. Mine went straight from the trailer to the shop when I got it home. I hope to take it out and abuse it in a month or so. Gotta patch those rust spots first and get some engine tin on it. |
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