GT's & Sixers - how & where constructed? - updated, 914/6-GT m471 originality Options

[larryM]

Thanks fellows!

i figured this would get y'all experts to fill in the blanks and form a root source for us all

What little i know about my car's roots is derived from (1) verbal telephone interviews of Wolfgang Dworazik and it's last owner Thomas Frank, by two fellows in Germany, Jurgen Seyffert and Ulrich Trispell and (2) a few Germany Region PCA folks, over a period of 10 yrs 1997-2007, reported to me via eMail; (3) from old notes and photos and an 1976 audiotape by my brother David who purchased the car in Stuttgart in 1974; (4) details contained in the original German TUV "title" which i have.

-0919 was constructed from ground-up on a fresh body shell. It was fitted during construction with all the competition GT parts and improvements as noted in the 914-6 Competition Parts List

available here for your perusal Competition Parts List 914/6

[larryM]

yes - my car also had a 3-pipe muffler for a long time

- i capped off the middle pair when i needed to make it street quiet

also became necessary at Laguna Seca and Sears Point to meet sound restrictions

eventually - welded off the oem side outlet & just let it roar

- still has that same old sport muffler it came with from Germany

- switched to SuperTrapps for racing

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[larryM]

- that Monte Carlo picture shows nicely that most of the GT's were similarly equipped, yet customized to the competition purpose and to the particular drivers

and they all mostly look the same since - there was a common "471" competition parts list from which to select components - kind'a depended on how much cash the buyer had

- same list was applicable to 911 & 914-6's - i got a copy from Jon Lowe many yrs ago in English, you can find it here in German

914-6 Competition Parts List -

- so when ya ask "what is original" regarding a GT - it means anything in that list could be original - but also realize that not every GT got every possible option in the list

the Talbot Racing mirors were very common on German racing cars in those old days - i still have mine, and the mount holes are there, but rarely put them on -

After reading your description in the VIN registry on here Larry, and seeing your pic of your M471 below......
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[carr914]

- none of the originalilty crowd is interested in such atrocities
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[larryM]

interesting pictures - especially the top right - clearly a GT

has the behr oil cooler and the hood pins

top left pic looks like the same body, less done - and note the 911 right behind it -

looks like a small work area - apparently "Werks 1 where race cars are assembled" per Glenn

that suggests they went along "side-by-side" -

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FYI - here are some GT build pix from the German 914 "Big Book" (DGVWPB as SirAndy likes to call it in shorthand) that I found online at Jeff Bowlsby's 914 website:

This interesting topic for me too, in learning some more about -6's, GTs, etc.!
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[larryM]

the photos posted by Tom T of the Monte Carlo car are interesting in that they also show a huge rear trunk mounted tank, and the front loaded with survival gear

it has a standard front tank, and steel deck lids

so much for the ubiquitous opinion that all the competition cars had a 100L front tank

[SirAndy]

the photos posted by Tom T of the Monte Carlo car are interesting in that they also show a huge rear trunk mounted fuel tank, and the front loaded with survival gear

so much for the ubiquitous opinion that all the competition cars had a 100L front tank

That's not a gas tank, it's a fire extinguisher ...

That car was used as a roadside emergency support vehicle at the track.
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[larryM]

Ah, of course!

- Glenn did write EX-monte carlo car, and it has a big R on the door!

I also see that it had a standard 914 fuel tank in front, and the hood is or was "holed" for the competition filler

also note that the "monte carlo support car" 914.143.0140 does not appear to have the have the fiberglass front & rear deck lids of the "R" package

yet it is one of the 12 Werks competition cars listed in various cites -

so this was apparently not a 1971 Monte Carlo photo?

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That's not a gas tank, it's a fire extinguisher ...

That car was used as a roadside emergency support vehicle at the track.
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[edwin]

Looks like the bulkhead in front of the fuel tank is still there and they had to be cut out for the 100l tank didnt they?

[larryM]

also note that the "monte carlo support car" 914.143.0140 does not appear to have the have the fiberglass front & rear deck lids of the "R" package

yet it is one of the 12 Werks competition cars listed in various cites - not all of whch were "race cars"

likely - the big fuel tank was only needed for those WMC enduros at places like 86 hr Nurburgring & Targa Florio - Long suggests it was only fitted for race cars & not rally cars

so - we can all rejoice in the apparent "visual proof" that even a Porsche Werks owned and entered GT is not, and was not, a single spec package - they were not all alike

so - if you own or create an M471 car on a genuine 914/6 body number, (using Porsche supplied parts, says Reef) - - you do have a GT - - let's celebrate that!

OR - - answer the conundrum and protect the myth by saying that whatever useful R parts were once on 914.143.0140 were scavenged for use elsewhere - (as we racers often do)

clones on 4 cyl bodies will still be clones, replicas, tributes or reproductions - call 'em as you choose

if we believe the books cited in my original/updated post, above:

- only the "R" package cars - (the official 12 Werks WMC FIA competion cars) - were fitted with the 100L tank and the 911R twin-plug engine

7 of those 12 factory cars were officially rally cars, and all factory cars were retired after 1971, since they did not do well, and becuz in 1972 the FIA went to a 3.0 liter spec for WMC GT class competitions
(WMC = World Makes Championship)

"Customer" cars (factory-produced per order, dealers, privateers, etc), and any M471 car (M471 officially available beginning in May 1971 to customer order), could well have been differently configured by selection of various pieces from the competition parts list,

various cites above say the rally cars had 160hp engines vs the 220hp R engines (the rally engine is confirmed in the engine spec pages of Bruce Anderson's books)


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[carr914]

[IronHillRestorations]

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