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sanman |
Sep 16 2004, 08:26 AM
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Leaving California Group: Members Posts: 341 Joined: 17-June 04 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 2,219 Region Association: None |
Has any one seen these?
Not that i want one but I figered club 914 should have a thread IMOA I dont think a FAN can make boost or am I wrong whats your opinion? |
Joe Bob |
Sep 16 2004, 08:37 AM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Same catagory as the penis extender, pills to make your boobs bigger, the cool collar, etc....
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ArtechnikA |
Sep 16 2004, 08:55 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(sanman @ Sep 16 2004, 06:26 AM) IMOA I dont think a FAN can make boost or am I wrong conceptually, the compressor stage of a turbocharger is just a fan... if you can turn the fan fast enough, you will make boost. of course it takes power to drive the fan; lots of it. multiples of HP power. go have a look at a 5HP motor. SOME people have reported SOME success with SOME devices. it is seductive because unlike magnets on the fuel line or pinwheels in the intake duct, it is actually based on (inspired by?) devices that actually work. fundamentally, i believe most are of the opinion that it is a cashflow device - it is designed to provide a stream of cash from the buyer to the seller ... |
larryp |
Sep 16 2004, 08:55 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 311 Joined: 9-May 03 From: Greenwich CT Member No.: 675 |
Excuse me. The penis extender works.
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lapuwali |
Sep 16 2004, 09:25 AM
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Not another one! Group: Benefactors Posts: 4,526 Joined: 1-March 04 From: San Mateo, CA Member No.: 1,743 |
The one actually marketed as the Electric Supercharger is basically worthless. Nowhere near enough power at the fan to provide any real boost. Something like 5 years ago, when they first appeared, several 911 types in the Bay Area got together, managed to talk the shop out of one for eval purposes, put it on the car and the car on the dyno, and came up with no increase. 2-3hp, maybe, on a 200hp engine, which put it down in the measurement error category.
The big conceptual problem with these devices is the power loss required to drive them. An efficient direct belt-driven supercharger takes 4-5hp to drive it at 8-10psi. 5hp is 3.7kW, or 308 amps @ 12 volts. This is Otmar class electrics. Assuming you could somehow find a 300 amp alternator, you'd need to drive it, and you'd see a power loss on the order of 50%, so it would take 10hp from the engine to drive a 300 amp alternator. Now, you could just draw off a battery for short periods and get enough power to drive a pretty hefty electric motor to drive a blower, but it would really only be for short burts, like one 1/4 mile run or something, with a long period waiting for a normal-size alternator to recharge the battery. |
phantom914 |
Sep 16 2004, 09:56 AM
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non-914-owner non-club member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,013 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Covina,CA(North ofWest Covina) Member No.: 1,708 |
QUOTE(mikez @ Sep 16 2004, 06:37 AM) Same catagory as the penis extender, pills to make your boobs bigger, the cool collar, etc.... Would that category be: "stuff mikez has tried and been disappointed by"? Andrew (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
Aaron Cox |
Sep 16 2004, 10:21 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(phantom914 @ Sep 16 2004, 08:56 AM) QUOTE(mikez @ Sep 16 2004, 06:37 AM) Same catagory as the penis extender, pills to make your boobs bigger, the cool collar, etc.... Would that category be: "stuff mikez has tried and been disappointed by"? Andrew (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chairfall.gif) |
tdgray |
Sep 16 2004, 10:51 AM
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Thank God Nemo is not here to see this Group: Members Posts: 9,705 Joined: 5-August 03 From: Akron, OH Member No.: 984 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(larryp @ Sep 16 2004, 06:55 AM) Excuse me. The penis extender works. That.... That's not mine baby. I don't know where that came from. Signed, AP |
bondo |
Sep 16 2004, 11:01 AM
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Practicing my perpendicular parking Group: Members Posts: 4,277 Joined: 19-April 03 From: Los Osos, CA Member No.: 587 Region Association: Central California |
I saw an electric supercharger that worked.. it was on one of those shows on cable TV where they show you how to install a product, and they test and review it. It looked like a flat electric motor and maybe a gearbox too, attached to what looked like the intake half of a turbocharger. It's purpose was not to be a cheap and easy bolt on addition... It was for cars with an engine compartment too crowded to fit a conventional belt driven supercharger. If I remember right, it cost over $2000. They put it on the dyno and got a significant increase in power. The way they solved the battery drain problem is with a throttle switch. It only turns on at full throttle. I saw this show like 4 years ago, that particular product may not exist anymore.
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Brando |
Sep 16 2004, 11:49 AM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
I'll just bolt that supercharger on right next to my air conditioner...
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Red-Beard |
Sep 16 2004, 02:11 PM
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"Ya canna change the laws of Physics" Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,124 Joined: 11-February 03 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 288 Region Association: None |
hahahahahahahahaha
This is where I coined my avatar line... http://www.esuperchargers.com/ and of course, who could forget.... The E-ram http://www.electricsupercharger.com/ (IMG:http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads2/Eramit1068761951.jpg) but, there was one that actually would work and it doesn't cost $12.95... http://www.boosthead.com/ These guys have real boost compressors and they suck mucho power, something like 50-75 amps, which requires a separate battery just for the boost. Boost is 15 seconds maximum at WOT. The pressure diagrams and the dyno runs match reality. Figure something like $2000 by the time you are done. |
Red-Beard |
Sep 16 2004, 02:41 PM
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"Ya canna change the laws of Physics" Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,124 Joined: 11-February 03 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 288 Region Association: None |
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SLITS |
Sep 16 2004, 02:53 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
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Red-Beard |
Sep 16 2004, 02:57 PM
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"Ya canna change the laws of Physics" Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,124 Joined: 11-February 03 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 288 Region Association: None |
Uh, no....
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phantom914 |
Sep 16 2004, 03:31 PM
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non-914-owner non-club member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,013 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Covina,CA(North ofWest Covina) Member No.: 1,708 |
QUOTE(Red-Beard @ Sep 16 2004, 12:57 PM) Uh, no.... James, whatever you do, don't ask. Just make it clear that it is not you in the photo. Andrew |
phantom914 |
Sep 16 2004, 03:33 PM
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non-914-owner non-club member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,013 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Covina,CA(North ofWest Covina) Member No.: 1,708 |
QUOTE(phantom914 @ Sep 16 2004, 01:31 PM) QUOTE(Red-Beard @ Sep 16 2004, 12:57 PM) Uh, no.... James, whatever you do, don't ask. Just make it clear that it is not you in the photo. Andrew ......hmmm. Does Aaron own a sheep costume? Andrew |
Red-Beard |
Sep 16 2004, 04:26 PM
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"Ya canna change the laws of Physics" Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,124 Joined: 11-February 03 From: Houston, TX Member No.: 288 Region Association: None |
no no no
That's the Amazing Zanick riding his "E-Ram" Corona, TX? it no exist... |
Aaron Cox |
Sep 17 2004, 12:38 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(phantom914 @ Sep 16 2004, 02:33 PM) QUOTE(phantom914 @ Sep 16 2004, 01:31 PM) QUOTE(Red-Beard @ Sep 16 2004, 12:57 PM) Uh, no.... James, whatever you do, don't ask. Just make it clear that it is not you in the photo. Andrew ......hmmm. Does Aaron own a sheep costume? Andrew nah, thats Slits is the hairy one, howard's in the rear (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
phantom914 |
Sep 17 2004, 12:49 PM
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non-914-owner non-club member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,013 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Covina,CA(North ofWest Covina) Member No.: 1,708 |
QUOTE(acox914 @ Sep 17 2004, 10:38 AM) ........................ in the rear (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Literally. And I like how you retaliate against me by insulting Slits and Howard. That'll keep me from ever insulting you again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Andrew |
Aaron Cox |
Sep 17 2004, 12:54 PM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(phantom914 @ Sep 17 2004, 11:49 AM) QUOTE(acox914 @ Sep 17 2004, 10:38 AM) ........................ in the rear ;) Literally. And I like how you retaliate against me by insulting Slits and Howard. That'll keep me from ever insulting you again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Andrew i dont have to take this...I'm going home (wait...i am home) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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