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Mark Henry
post Mar 6 2012, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(jmill @ Mar 6 2012, 02:06 PM) *

Yeah, it looks bad. Stevie Wonder can see that it's hosed up. The benefit of doubt I extended for the machine shop only goes so far.

Agreed, that doesn't even pass visual inspection. Why would someone work on that? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Mar 6 2012, 02:34 PM
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"Will you please come and look at my damage with me sir?
If we look together maybe some magic will happen.
This is horri- feel this! This even feels damaged!
Do you have tools, can you fix this right now?
This is horribly- this feels so horribly damaged.
Even if I was blind I would know this is horribly damaged,
by the way it feels."

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post Mar 6 2012, 04:08 PM
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I have seen crank journals weld repaired, remachined then nitrided for not too much money ........ could not the same process be used on that end?
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post Mar 6 2012, 06:13 PM
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Why, just start again with a better one & a different machinest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)
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post Mar 6 2012, 07:25 PM
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Looks like it sat in the water and got rusty...then sandblasted.

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post Mar 6 2012, 08:14 PM
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Joe, is there corresponding damage on the flywheel where it connects, or did you get a new flywheel?

I don't understand how this damage could have happened and the flywheel still ran true.

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post Mar 6 2012, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Mar 6 2012, 09:14 PM) *

Joe, is there corresponding damage on the flywheel where it connects, or did you get a new flywheel?

I don't understand how this damage could have happened and the flywheel still ran true.

Zach


Tony said the flywheel was fine, it is the original one resurfaced. I drove this car every day for more than 2 years with this crank.

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Your guess is as good as mine

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post Mar 6 2012, 09:45 PM
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I used to take pics of all angles and scribe a mark in a hidden spot to be sure I got my part back. Once had a shop call me about the "hidden" mark and if I wanted buffed out... At least he examined the part well enough to find my mark...
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post Mar 6 2012, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Mar 6 2012, 05:25 PM) *

Looks like it sat in the water and got rusty...then sandblasted.

rich


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) It doesn't look like tool marks. It looks like pitting over a long time.

Just a wild guess: I would bet this is NOT the crank you dropped off, but possibly is the flywheel you dropped off. Maybe is was switched (intentionally or UN-intentionally) with another customers POS crank core. I would recommend approaching this as if an honest mistake was made and allow them to make it right. I can tell you from experience that your attitude will make a big difference on how you are treated in the end. All people are capable of making a mistake, it's how they take care of that mistake that separates the good vendor from the bad. This could be just a simple error (grabbing the wrong crank). Give the guy the opportunity to make it right before accusing him of screwing you.

That aught to be a fun one to set end-play on. . . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)
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post Mar 7 2012, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Mar 6 2012, 05:25 PM) *

Looks like it sat in the water and got rusty...then sandblasted.

rich

i agree 100 % with rich....we've all seen this first hand i'm sure...no brainer
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post Mar 7 2012, 01:55 AM
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QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Mar 6 2012, 06:14 PM) *

Joe, is there corresponding damage on the flywheel where it connects, or did you get a new flywheel?

I don't understand how this damage could have happened and the flywheel still ran true.

Zach

they were both equally rotted and so it took away an equal amount.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)
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post Mar 7 2012, 07:54 AM
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It doesn't look like rust to me. It looks like galling, most likely from loose or missing flywheel bolts. Maybe at one point in that engines life the bolts backed out and the flywheel spun on the crank and then the bolts were just put back in. Just a theory.
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post Mar 7 2012, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(carr914 @ Mar 6 2012, 04:13 PM) *

Why, just start again with a better one & a different machinest (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)

......... my guess it would be less expensive to fix than to buy another crank and have everything redone. The fix can be just as good and possibly even more reliable as one would have a fresh surface. but it was just an idea and not intended for people that have a lot extra money (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)

Also as aircooledguy mentioned, the crank may not even be the same one that was dropped off. unless it was tagged/marked as soon as it was delivered, it could have been grabbed by mistake or??
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post Mar 7 2012, 02:59 PM
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Still waiting to hear back from the machine shop



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post Mar 7 2012, 05:14 PM
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Machine guy called,

basically said that he did what I asked him to do, and he would make it right but I have to wait until next week because he is swampped. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

And

He goes on to say that the flywheel must be pretty messed up also.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) I dont have the flywheel because its sitting in tonys shop. WTF WTF WTF

now I will call Tony tommorow and ask him to inspect the flywheel closer. On the other hand Tony has a pretty good idea of engine building, I can only assume he checked the flywheel good after seeing the condition of my crank.


Im gonna step outide

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post Mar 8 2012, 10:13 AM
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You couldn't pay me to run that crank. I would get another one and start with a fresh feeling of confidence. Nothing worse than doubting whether or not the work or part will last the life of the engine.
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post Mar 8 2012, 11:22 AM
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But Rick, the crank always lasts the life of the engine. Because when the crank goes, the engine is gone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

(Yes, I agree with the "use a different crank" people.)

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post Mar 8 2012, 01:30 PM
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If he has to replace the crank how is that going to be now considered a balanced assembly?

I'd say the crank is your responsibility to replace it, but the machinist should never have balanced it in that condition and demanded a better crank right from the start. If the crank is replaced than the whole assembly fan, crank, fly and PP will need to be rebalanced.

A proper balance is each part balanced separately and then the rotating assembly is bolted together and balanced again. The bolts/washers will be needed for this part of the job. (BTW I balance the fly and PP bolts/washers so that the order is not important.)
I'd be asking if this was done.
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post Mar 12 2012, 09:21 AM
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Machine guy called.....

The crank is ready.

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I will be picking it up tommorow. Pics will also be tommorow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Now that the crank has been repaired... should I have everything balanced again?


I did thank him very much for workin things out with me. It pays to be polite


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post Mar 12 2012, 09:36 AM
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Please post pics of the repaired crank.
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