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| 9xauto |
 Sep 16 2004, 11:02 AM
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Newbie  Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 13-September 04 From: New York Member No.: 2,751  |
What is the best way to weld metal flears? "Spot" welding or "Stich" welding. Also what is the most inexpencive welder to work on 914s? Any expert's openion is appreciated (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)
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| Aaron Cox |
Sep 16 2004, 11:09 AM
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Professional Lawn Dart Group: Retired Admin Posts: 24,541 Joined: 1-February 03 From: OC Member No.: 219 Region Association: Southern California |
not an expert, but i hear butt welding is good.
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| Elliot_Cannon |
Sep 16 2004, 11:13 AM
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Senior Member Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,922 Joined: 26-March 03 From: Orange County Ca Member No.: 480 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(acox914 @ Sep 16 2004, 10:09 AM) not an expert, but i hear butt welding is good. No. No,no,no. I'm not touching that one. I had a good line for it to but it would be just too easy. Cheers Elliot |
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| Brando |
Sep 16 2004, 11:21 AM
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BUY MY SPARE KIDNEY!!! Group: Members Posts: 3,935 Joined: 29-August 04 From: Santa Ana, CA Member No.: 2,648 Region Association: Southern California |
make sure everything's cut to the right shape, grab yer mig welder and have a HO-DOWN right them thar on dem flares! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAW!
Or, if you're a perfectionist asshole like me, take it to a pro and dish out the cash. |
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| 914werke |
Sep 16 2004, 11:37 AM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,115 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest 
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Whats a "flear"? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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| phantom914 |
Sep 16 2004, 11:40 AM
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non-914-owner non-club member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,013 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Covina,CA(North ofWest Covina) Member No.: 1,708  |
QUOTE(acox914 @ Sep 16 2004, 09:09 AM) ........butt welding is good. Why does that sound just plain wrong...vaguely disgusting. Is this a Corona thing? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Andrew |
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| balljoint |
Sep 16 2004, 11:51 AM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,000 Joined: 6-April 04 Member No.: 1,897 Region Association: None |
Not a lot of practicality in the average guy buying a spot-welder. (do they make portable spot-welders?) Little "Jobber" MIGs are best that way.
Good thing you said "metal'. I ALWAYS advise against welding fibreglass of any kind. I guess that one way you are cleaning your butt....... welds to have a nice seam, and the other way you are using bondo to smooth out edges. I like metal. What year of 914 are you putting these flears on? |
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| seanery |
Sep 16 2004, 01:35 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
I have never done it....I'm afraid...I've seen wavy cars, mostly 911s.
My buddy Paul had 930 flares welded onto his 75 Carrera (SC body) by kevin in Van Nuys area. He spot welded them and the result is fabulous...lemme see if I have a pic or two around... Attached image(s) 
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| seanery |
Sep 16 2004, 01:37 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
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| SteveSr |
Sep 16 2004, 01:39 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 203 Joined: 7-October 03 From: Knox,In. Member No.: 1,223 |
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| seanery |
Sep 16 2004, 01:39 PM
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waiting to rebuild whitey! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 15,854 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Indy Member No.: 100 Region Association: None |
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| balljoint |
Sep 16 2004, 01:46 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 10,000 Joined: 6-April 04 Member No.: 1,897 Region Association: None |
QUOTE Can you even weld "flears" Nope. Does anyone remember the wrestler who invented the "Butt Weld" move? You couldn't do that to a Flair either. Attached image(s) 
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| John Kelly |
Sep 16 2004, 02:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Moclips WA. Member No.: 640 |
QUOTE(9xauto @ Sep 16 2004, 09:02 AM) What is the best way to weld metal flears? "Spot" welding or "Stich" welding. Also what is the most inexpencive welder to work on 914s? Any expert's openion is appreciated (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) This might help: http://www.type2.com/library/body/wlsh.htm John www.ghiaspecialties.com |
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| skline |
Sep 16 2004, 02:05 PM
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Born to Drive Group: Members Posts: 7,910 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Costa Mesa, CA Member No.: 17 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(9xauto @ Sep 16 2004, 10:02 AM) What is the best way to weld metal flears? "Spot" welding or "Stich" welding. Also what is the most inexpencive welder to work on 914s? Any expert's openion is appreciated :welder: Setup the flares and mark them and cut exactly where they will be welded on. Tack each side and top and then weld up the rest in very short sections to avoid warping. Also, pick up a spell checker before you post or get a dictionary so you can spell the words correctly. The word is Flare and opinion and inexpensive. The welder of my choice would be a MIG welder or wirefeed. You can get one at Home Depot or Harbor Freight. |
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| spare time toys |
Sep 16 2004, 02:12 PM
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hooked on grilling food. Group: Members Posts: 4,059 Joined: 3-April 04 From: West Plano Tx Member No.: 1,884 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(acox914 @ Sep 16 2004, 12:09 PM) i hear butt welding is good. You got to be carefull or you may CRACK them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) |
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| 914forme |
Sep 16 2004, 02:20 PM
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Times a wastin', get wrenchin'! Group: Members Posts: 3,896 Joined: 24-July 04 From: Dayton, Ohio Member No.: 2,388 Region Association: None
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Yes the do make portable spot welders. The even make them with welding cables and two separate handles so you can get to hard to reach areas. Heck even Harbor freight has a listing for a 110V spot welder. It was how most of your 914 was put toghter, but you need an overlap to do it, etc... I would weld the two togther using intergrip clamps and a MIG. Instead of Butt welding I would call it ah heck it is a butt joint. I guess iff you wanted to follow the woodworks of the world you could just glue em on. Several good epoxies out there that will do it just fine for metal to metal bonding. Or you can get some velcro from an aircraft supplier and use that. You just need special pliars to remove it, but it will give you better access to the brakes. We have jetfighter that have velcroed on wing sections. If it will hold under that load - your teener is a walk in the park. Unless you've strapped a few extra thrusters onto it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Where did you get the metal flares from? You can PM if you wish to tell me the special price you snagged them for. Just interested, since I am going to flare a teener soon. Good luck I for one want to see pictures if you get the chance. |
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| airsix |
Sep 16 2004, 02:25 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
...and the most important thing is to keep it cool. Keep a damp rag handy and use it to cool your work as you go. This will help prevent warping. Gotta go S-L-O-W.
-Ben M. (disclaimer: some basic welding experinece but no flair welding experience yet) |
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| phantom914 |
Sep 16 2004, 02:29 PM
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non-914-owner non-club member Group: Benefactors Posts: 1,013 Joined: 24-February 04 From: Covina,CA(North ofWest Covina) Member No.: 1,708 |
QUOTE(914forme @ Sep 16 2004, 12:20 PM) ....................... Or you can get some velcro from an aircraft supplier and use that. You just need special pliars to remove it, but it will give you better access to the brakes. We have jetfighter that have velcroed on wing sections. If it will hold under that load - your teener is a walk in the park. Unless you've strapped a few extra thrusters onto it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Velcro! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) That sounds cool! How about magnets? Or better yet, electromagnets: you could just hit a switch and they would fall right off. Might be kind of embarassing though if you hit the switch by accident while sitting at a stop sign. Or if you have bad grounds, they might fall off when you honk the horn or run the windshield wipers. Andrew |
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| John Kelly |
Sep 16 2004, 02:36 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 692 Joined: 1-May 03 From: Moclips WA. Member No.: 640 |
Hi Ben,
Actually, it is better to go slow mig welding than to use a wet rag, as it can make the panel even stiffer than mig-welding alone. If you quench the panel right after welding you will get a hard shrink, making it just that much more work to get the panel back in shape. There are times when quenching can keep heat from spreading to vulnerable places near the weld, but it is not good prcatice as a rule 914 forme, If you want a cheap, labor intensive, metal flare without welding have a look at one of my albums: http://allshops.org/cgi-bin/community/comm...d=9980138836765 John www.ghiaspecialties.com |
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| airsix |
Sep 16 2004, 03:25 PM
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I have bees in my epiglotis Group: Members Posts: 2,196 Joined: 7-February 03 From: Kennewick Man (E. WA State) Member No.: 266 |
Thanks for the tips, John. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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