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| brant |
 Jun 8 2012, 08:58 AM
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914 Wizard  Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains 
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The window glass (plus windshield and rear window) are killing you
can you run lexan? I know it won't anylonger be water tight but I'll bet if you gut the doors on both sides, add lexan front and rear you would loose 120lbs. of course side windows in a rain storm are nice too..... most of us talking about really light cars have ditched the fresh air system, wiper systems, headlights, etc..... |
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| J P Stein |
Jun 8 2012, 09:43 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
I can see a ton...well, a bunch of weight to come off.
A 914 Fuch weighs 11 lbs. This muffler weighs 13 lbs. That fishing lure called a "stiffening kit" is dead weight with that cage in place......which should really be tied into the strut towers......that will make your suspenders work right. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Attached image(s) 
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| Andyrew |
Jun 8 2012, 11:40 AM
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Spooling.... Please wait Group: Members Posts: 13,376 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California
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What about the doors? You have a cage so you dont need anything but the skin, the hinges, and the latch.
Do you need side windows? Can you get away with a net? Might be time to get out the hole saw and start drilling holes.. I'd start with the area's behind the bumpers. Do you need chrome trim? Do you need all of your door seals? Trunk seals, ect ect? What about that fresh air box? Your muffler like JP said What about hard mounting the headlights up? Those motors and ect could be 10 lbs by themself.. |
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| Chris Pincetich |
Jun 8 2012, 01:07 PM
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B-) Group: Members Posts: 2,082 Joined: 3-October 05 From: Point Reyes Station, CA Member No.: 4,907 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Andyrew @ Jun 8 2012, 10:40 AM)  What about hard mounting the headlights up? Those motors and ect could be 10 lbs by themself.. word (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) I would never stomach having headlights up all the time for my cafe racer 914, but for a rally car it is worth considering. Those motors are metal bricks The "GT headlight" solution is so expensive if using vendors, but worth a shot if you have in-house fabrication skillz |
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| URY914 |
Jun 8 2012, 01:41 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,563 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Rookies........
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| stuttgart46 |
Jun 8 2012, 02:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 17-December 07 From: Santa Monica, CA Member No.: 8,474 Region Association: None |
Ditch the headlights all together as well as the headlight buckets and use a light bar when you need it. Just my $.02
It is great to see you flogging this car around in rallies. |
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| Rand |
Jun 8 2012, 03:03 PM
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Cross Member Group: Members Posts: 7,409 Joined: 8-February 05 From: OR Member No.: 3,573 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(URY914 @ Jun 8 2012, 12:41 PM) Rookies........ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) But I'd be scared to dirt rally your featheriscious animal. On that subject, folks let's not forget how Moggy is using this beast. A lot of the input seems to be coming from ax and track folks (which is all super valuable) but it's a different world getting beat up on the dirt. It has to be brutally strong. |
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| moggy |
Jun 8 2012, 03:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285 |
QUOTE(brant @ Jun 8 2012, 06:58 AM) The window glass (plus windshield and rear window) are killing you can you run lexan? I know it won't anylonger be water tight but I'll bet if you gut the doors on both sides, add lexan front and rear you would loose 120lbs. of course side windows in a rain storm are nice too..... most of us talking about really light cars have ditched the fresh air system, wiper systems, headlights, etc..... Brant - I said in my first post I have lexan in all side windows and rear, but the windscreen has to be glass. Fresh air system is stripped out all apart from the windscreen demister, which is needed. |
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| moggy |
Jun 8 2012, 03:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285 |
QUOTE(J P Stein @ Jun 8 2012, 07:43 AM) I can see a ton...well, a bunch of weight to come off. A 914 Fuch weighs 11 lbs. This muffler weighs 13 lbs. That fishing lure called a "stiffening kit" is dead weight with that cage in place......which should really be tied into the strut towers......that will make your suspenders work right. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) That's an old photo - I've already addressed the exhaust. Now on it is a European Racing header and muffler, much much lighter. Stiffening kit is NOT dead weight in a rally car - believe me!!. GT stiffening kit is not what's on the car, only the rear suspension pickup strengthening, which is needed (ask me how I know (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) and the long stiffening kit was put in after it started to crack by the old parking brake handle even with the cage. The car take a lot of grief - it's like Baja racing (which I've also done (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) but a little less extreme. Here's some of my take offs (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1339192676.1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1339192677.2.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1339192677.3.jpg) Cage is already tied into rear strut tops. Not allowed to do it at front due to regulations (don't ask.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) ) Wheels are also addressed since above photo with Minilites now on the corners (same weight as Fuch) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads_offsite/i31.photobucket.com-3285-1339192677.4.jpg) |
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| moggy |
Jun 8 2012, 04:01 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285 |
QUOTE(Andyrew @ Jun 8 2012, 09:40 AM) What about the doors? You have a cage so you dont need anything but the skin, the hinges, and the latch. Might be time to get out the hole saw and start drilling holes.. I'd start with the area's behind the bumpers. What about hard mounting the headlights up? Those motors and ect could be 10 lbs by themself.. Going to re-visit the doors again, and get savage with them. Rear bumper I'm going to go f/g. Front needs to be metal - for good reason (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Contemplating the GT kit for the lights, but fabricate it myself - I'm not paying the high $$ for the kit's I've seen come up now and again (good although they look - it's just I can make that myself.) |
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| moggy |
Jun 8 2012, 04:07 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285 |
QUOTE(stuttgart46 @ Jun 8 2012, 12:57 PM) Ditch the headlights all together as well as the headlight buckets and use a light bar when you need it. Just my $.02 It is great to see you flogging this car around in rallies. I need the lights for the UK MOT (i.e. to make it street legal). However... light bowls!!! that's a great idea.... they can come out. Nice one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I've got a rally tomorrow morning. Weather is very bad so it's going to be messy and rough (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) Wish me luck... I'll update you all on how I get on - good or bad (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| moggy |
Jun 8 2012, 04:13 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285 |
QUOTE(Rand @ Jun 8 2012, 01:03 PM) QUOTE(URY914 @ Jun 8 2012, 12:41 PM) Rookies........ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) But I'd be scared to dirt rally your featheriscious animal. On that subject, folks let's not forget how Moggy is using this beast. A lot of the input seems to be coming from ax and track folks (which is all super valuable) but it's a different world getting beat up on the dirt. It has to be brutally strong. 100% right, you're spot on. I've seen some of the track and autoX cars, great that they are for their sport, they would not last one day rallying. No disrepect meant, it's just horses for courses. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Nice KTM - same as my crew chiefs. You know what dirt tastes like.... nice one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) |
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| moggy |
Jun 8 2012, 04:15 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285 |
I met a guy who makes aluminium fuel tanks for the rallying guys. You give him your original and a few weeks later he gives you back the equivalent in ally, half the weight - job done. That's another one to add to the list (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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| messix |
Jun 8 2012, 06:34 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
can you tie the windsheild frame and the cowl into the cage? go to it with a hole saw on any thing that is redundant with the cage. targa bar inner and under side these are many layers of sheet metal. any thing that you have used tubing to renforce cut out or make full of holes.swiss cheese the doors as much as you have time for.john bovey did his and they are stupid light. cut out the front bumper renforcement in the trunk. is there any overlapping sheet metal under the flares that can go?
any time you have some thing off the car ask your self what does this need to work and how can i lighten it up. look at sixnotfour's car his outer door handles are swiss cheeesed! ounces add up to pounds..... |
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| J P Stein |
Jun 9 2012, 08:27 AM
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Irrelevant old fart Group: Members Posts: 8,797 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Vancouver, WA Member No.: 45 Region Association: None |
I'm aware of Moggy's use of the car.
I would wager that my full caged, seam welded, complete AX chassis is stronger than his. To toss out advice because it comes from folks not in line with your usage is not only arrogant, but stupid. (I would have used "hubris" but you'd have to look that up.) Rookies. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I'm done. Have a nice day. Attached image(s) 
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| moggy |
Jun 9 2012, 04:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285 |
QUOTE(J P Stein @ Jun 9 2012, 06:27 AM) I'm aware of Moggy's use of the car. I would wager that my full caged, seam welded, complete AX chassis is stronger than his. To toss out advice because it comes from folks not in line with your usage is not only arrogant, but stupid. (I would have used "hubris" but you'd have to look that up.) Rookies. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I'm done. Have a nice day. No decent advice turned away here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Afterall you autoX/track guys are the experts here, and I can't ask any guys rallying a 914 for advice as no-one seems to be mad enough (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Hope that's not me you're accusing of being hubristic (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) but if it is.... I've been called worse, usually by my wife (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) Picked up some good ideas from all you track and autoX guys so thanks for the pointers. I'll let you all know how much I trim off and where. |
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| moggy |
Jun 10 2012, 02:58 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285 |
Rally went really well, managed to hold my own against the big Escorts, even managed a first in class on one stage and got within 0.2 seconds of the guy that's currently leading the British championship (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Happy with that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Here's a little vid of me having a 'moment' yesterday. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUKOXHeH1bc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUKOXHeH1bc Started the car diet this evening. Managed to shave 5 kg off the car so far cutting all sorts of things off and trimming various stuff that was superfluous. Will let you all know how much drops off. |
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| URY914 |
Jun 10 2012, 03:02 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,563 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
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| Randal |
Jun 10 2012, 06:24 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,446 Joined: 29-May 03 From: Los Altos, CA Member No.: 750 |
QUOTE(URY914 @ Jun 10 2012, 02:02 PM) +1 Great driving! |
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| Woody |
Jun 10 2012, 07:59 PM
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Sandbox Rabblerouser and head toilet scrubber Group: Members Posts: 3,858 Joined: 28-December 10 From: San Antonio Texas Member No.: 12,530 Region Association: Southwest Region |
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) You have anymore videos? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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