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post Jun 11 2012, 04:36 PM
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Loose weight, your car needs a diet of drill bits and mill

Inspiration can be found here
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911...od-projekt.html
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post Jun 11 2012, 05:05 PM
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Here's another vid for you from a few years back, showing that I can actually go round a corner properly (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) sometimes (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SeD-J6JqYY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SeD-J6JqYY


The weight is still dropping off. After tonights little stint the scales are weighing in at 10Kg. 6 of those Kg are from a redesign of the spare wheel mount.

Decided tonight that I'm going to have two trims:

Gravel - heavy duty skid plates and metal bumpers.

Tarmac - lighter duty skid plates and f/g bumpers.

At the end I'll weigh the car in both setups and let you know what the results are.

Tomorrow I'm going to start on the dashboard area.

Thanks for the link to that weight obsessed fabrication genius with the 911, nice!! but that's going a little too far for me. Impressive though.
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post Jun 11 2012, 05:07 PM
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Anyone know how much those headlight motors weigh each?
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post Jun 11 2012, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(moggy @ Jun 11 2012, 07:07 PM) *

Anyone know how much those headlight motors weigh each?


4.5lbs/each
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post Jun 12 2012, 01:15 AM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Jun 9 2012, 07:27 AM) *

I'm aware of Moggy's use of the car.
I would wager that my full caged, seam welded, complete AX chassis is stronger than his.
To toss out advice because it comes from folks not in line with your usage is not only arrogant, but stupid. (I would have used "hubris" but you'd have to look that up.)
Rookies. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
I'm done. Have a nice day.

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Nice JP. Where's your car now? Not that I was referring to you. Take your cranky medicine and get over it.

In case you don't know it, I love ya man and always respect what you have done. (And if you used the "hubris" dart towards me, you obviously don't get me. I'm the farthest from arrogant. I just tease amongst friends now and then. Sorry you didn't catch the vibe. My sense of humor is dry, and this is the Internet, so I understand.)

I was probably poking more at Paul than you and I think he knows it!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) While his car wouldn't hold up to Moggy's rally course, it might possibly kick your old car's butt on the AX course!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Then again, Moggy's car wouldn't beat your best AX times, since it is a different animal.

I'm having a nice day. You should too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Sorry for the diversion Moggy. Can't wait to see what you do next.
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post Jun 12 2012, 04:58 PM
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Congrats on this past weekend's results.
That vid is awesome.
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post Jun 12 2012, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(Rand @ Jun 12 2012, 12:15 AM) *

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Nice JP. Where's your car now? Not that I was referring to you. Take your cranky medicine and get over it.

In case you don't know it, I love ya man and always respect what you have done. (And if you used the "hubris" dart towards me, you obviously don't get me. I'm the farthest from arrogant. I just tease amongst friends now and then. Sorry you didn't catch the vibe. My sense of humor is dry, and this is the Internet, so I understand.)

I was probably poking more at Paul than you and I think he knows it!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) While his car wouldn't hold up to Moggy's rally course, it might possibly kick your old car's butt on the AX course!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Then again, Moggy's car wouldn't beat your best AX times, since it is a different animal.

I'm having a nice day. You should too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Sorry for the diversion Moggy. Can't wait to see what you do next.


Dude, I LIKE being a grumpy old man.....not to mention I have little choice in the matter.

BTW, Paul drove shitbox for several passes at an AX a few years back. He is the only guy that ever drove it that couldn't beat my best time......it was only a couple tenths but I remind him of that every chance I get. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I may be old but I was slow. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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post Jun 12 2012, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Jun 12 2012, 05:42 PM) *

Dude, I LIKE being a grumpy old man.....not to mention I have little choice in the matter.

BTW, Paul drove shitbox for several passes at an AX a few years back. He is the only guy that ever drove it that couldn't beat my best time......it was only a couple tenths but I remind him of that every chance I get. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I may be old but I was slow. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

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Oh, and you are genius at breaking the quote feature.
Thanks for the story with Paul and the $hitbox. Classic.
Now I would be curious what JP's times would have been like in the lightbox. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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post Jun 14 2012, 08:20 PM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Jun 9 2012, 07:27 AM) *

I'm aware of Moggy's use of the car.
I would wager that my full caged, seam welded, complete AX chassis is stronger than his.
To toss out advice because it comes from folks not in line with your usage is not only arrogant, but stupid. (I would have used "hubris" but you'd have to look that up.)
Rookies. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
I'm done. Have a nice day.

Take note of those well engineered mouse ears on his cage. Lol! Thank goodness Brit performed an exorcism and ridded that car of that swamp monster cage. Clearly not much engineering skill went into the beaut! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)

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post Jun 15 2012, 08:07 PM
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I noticed that no one mentioned that little parachute in the back.
You dont go fast enough to effectively use a rear spoiler. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif)
Cut every little tang and bracket you dont need. replace all steel that you can with aluminium,CF or fiberglass. My 2cents. Good luck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)
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post Jun 16 2012, 01:30 PM
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QUOTE(Gunther @ Jun 15 2012, 06:07 PM) *

I noticed that no one mentioned that little parachute in the back.
You dont go fast enough to effectively use a rear spoiler. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sawzall-smiley.gif)
Cut every little tang and bracket you dont need. replace all steel that you can with aluminium,CF or fiberglass. My 2cents. Good luck (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smilie_pokal.gif)


So how fast do I need to go to 'effectively' use a spoiler?

I've had a few days break from the garage but back in there tomorrow to set on the dash area. Will give an update on the weight that's dropped off and maybe a picture of the metal that's been removed.

Cheers

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post Jun 16 2012, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE(moggy @ Jun 16 2012, 12:30 PM) *
So how fast do I need to go to 'effectively' use a spoiler?

For the rear of a 914 to get light at speed you have to go above at least 110 mph or even more, depending on your setup.
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post Jun 17 2012, 03:04 PM
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The guys At KMW Motorsports did a telemetry test on the back straights of Sebring, an average of 3 to 5mph slower with the spoiler on. @ about 140mph.
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post Jun 17 2012, 03:08 PM
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I get over 90 quite often, 110 less often. Although flat out in fifth on tarmac rallies happens now and again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Anyhow... I like the look of the kick spoiler, it kinda balances the car, so it stays (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I've got up to 11.5kgs that I've dropped off the car.

The front skid plate weighs 9.5kgs and the rear is 22.2kgs, my plan is to re-design these for tarmac rallies at half the weight, giving me a further 15.9kgs saving.

I'm going to go with f/g bumpers front and rear for tarmac events so again a further 12kgs savings over the metal ones.

So all in all that should total up to 39 kgs weight saving (60lbs).

Thanks all for your help (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Jun 17 2012, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(moggy @ Jun 17 2012, 04:08 PM) *

I get over 90 quite often, 110 less often. Although flat out in fifth on tarmac rallies happens now and again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Anyhow... I like the look of the kick spoiler, it kinda balances the car, so it stays (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I've got up to 11.5kgs that I've dropped off the car.

The front skid plate weighs 9.5kgs and the rear is 22.2kgs, my plan is to re-design these for tarmac rallies at half the weight, giving me a further 15.9kgs saving.

I'm going to go with f/g bumpers front and rear for tarmac events so again a further 12kgs savings over the metal ones.

So all in all that should total up to 39 kgs weight saving (60lbs).

Thanks all for your help (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)



39 kgs is equal to about 85 pounds. I've been enjoying this thread. Time to get serious with my car.
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post Jun 18 2012, 01:51 PM
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WHAT???
Your rear skid plate is 50 lbs!!!!???!?!!
Dude.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
Is it integrated into the engine mount bar?
I'm sure that reducing the strength of the rear skid plate is a touchy subject since it is protecting a $6k-$10k USA$(??) TIV motor and likely custom 901 transaxle too.
Show us some pics of that rear anchor, I mean skid plate.
I'm day-dreaming of a protective "cradle" like Brit and other use for mounting Subaru engines in 914s that serves a structural/mounting role but is also rally-bomb-proof.
Great work so far (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

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post Jun 20 2012, 08:44 AM
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I'm pretty much out of the game. I stop by occasionally to see what's happening.
I'll miss you guys but not that trolling POS Grant. He's never gotten over me & Brit towing down to the bay area and blowing away him & all his bay area buddies.....on their venue. To him I say (IMG:style_emoticons/default/finger.gif)
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Sorry, I might have missed this.. but what kind of starter do you have on the car? Those things are mighty heavy. Surely there is a lighter, newer option out there. The original ones must be near 20-25lbs.
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post Jun 20 2012, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE(ThePaintedMan @ Jun 20 2012, 11:12 AM) *

Sorry, I might have missed this.. but what kind of starter do you have on the car? Those things are mighty heavy. Surely there is a lighter, newer option out there. The original ones must be near 20-25lbs.

I'm thinking more like 8-10. The whole trans is only 75. There are many articles on 914/6 that Porsche set up for rally's. Go thru them and see what else you can do. Also consider a six if your class allows it.
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