adjusted the TPS 2 times and no dice Options

[jsayre914]

I have a 2.0 D-jet setup. The classic bucking at constant speed. I have disconnected the TPS and the car runs super smooth with no bucking at all. The board has been replaced with Dave's board. I have adjusted it as per the pelican article. I have searched and searched. I printed the picture out of what it should look like before you put the cover back on. My adjustment is perfect. My TPS is adjusted right where it should be BUT is still Bucking


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Can there be somthing eles wrong with a TPS other than the correct adjustment??


Should I get another TPS to try it?


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[ape914]

I have a 2.0 D-jet setup. The classic bucking at constant speed. I have disconnected the TPS and the car runs super smooth with no bucking at all. The board has been replaced with Dave's board. I have adjusted it as per the pelican article. I have searched and searched. I printed the picture out of what it should look like before you put the cover back on. My adjustment is perfect. My TPS is adjusted right where it should be BUT is still Bucking


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Can there be somthing eles wrong with a TPS other than the correct adjustment??


Should I get another TPS to try it?


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new board in the tps? I'd try the old board and see if it goes away. Did it have this problem before the new board was installed?

[jsayre914]

no idea, this motor was just built. the original tps was sitting in a box for 4 years or so, i never tried it, but it sure looked worn to me

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[yeahmag]

Have you checked your fuel pressure?

[TheCabinetmaker]

Did you use an Ohm meter to set it? did you check it at the ecu harness connection? I have installed a new tps board that i got as a door prize at last years MUSR. I don't know who made or where it came from, but it was not good. Retry you old tps. If its shot, i''l send you a known good one to try out.

[914_teener]

Have you checked your fuel pressure?

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[SLITS]

Did you check that all the finger are actually touching the board with enough tension or the contacts on the fingers are not broken off?

[jsayre914]

I did use a multimeter on the ohm setting to set it. Fuel pressure is strong at 29psi and again with the tps unplugged, there is no issues at all (other than no acceleration) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)





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[SLITS]

Let me see if I have any TPOSs left & I'll send you one (I think I gave them all away).

[TheCabinetmaker]

I got him one going Ron. I have a few.

[jsayre914]

You guys are the best

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[davesprinkle]

Hey guys,

Seems like a couple of you are having some trouble with the replacement TPS board. Send me a PM and we'll discuss options for checking out the sensor.

-dave sprinkle

[jsayre914]

So, why is the shop manual procedure for adjusting different than the pelican procedure ?

Pelican: using a meter on the correct leads, start turning the tps clockwise until you see 0, STOP. now continue clockwise one more hash mark exactly and then tighten down. Your finished.

(with this one, once you are at 0 then you move it one more mark, you are no longer at 0 when you tighten it down)

Shop: using a meter on the correct leads, start turning the tps clockwise until you see 0, STOP. Tighten down. Your finished.



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p.s. I tried both ways and it didnt seem any different. I have a TPS on the way from Cabinetmaker and I just sent Dave a pm






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[jsayre914]

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[jsayre914]

Double post
oooops

[r_towle]

This is what it needs to look like at rest with the throttle plate closed.
If you look a the board it has different contact areas and those represent different levels of fuel based upon the position of the switch. (hope that makes sense)

Consider that our Djet system is not super flexible and its really a hard coded map of a certain amount of duration to open the injector with almost zero tuneability.

There is a special Idle circuit that you need to make sure is enabled when you have the throttle plate closed and that is the Ohm meter test that verifies that you are resting on the correct idle circuit...if you line up the switch properly, the ohm meter lets you know, then lock it down and forget it.

I have no idea what Pelicans extra step is for, but remember it was not written by Bosch, so I favor the Bosch instructions and it has never steered me wrong.

The reason the switch is adjustable at all is because they made one TPS switch for about 15 cars and each throttle body is a bit different.

This is a set it and forget it switch...its really not adjustable or you doink the whole system.

The best and most perfect way to set the switch is by eye.
Remove the throttle body, pull off the black cover and set the switch while looking at it.
You can verify its properly done with an ohm meter, but visual always works.

Damn, wrong computer....I will find the pic in a second.

Rich

[r_towle]

Look here

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...ottle++position

[Spoke]

The classic bucking at constant speed.

What is it in the TPS that causes bucking at constant speed?

I know it has a throttle closed switch to engage the idle circuit in the ECU. But in this case the throttle is open a bit and so the throttle closed switch should be open and out of the circuit.

Then there are the fingers and associated contact to sense if the throttle is moving in the open direction. I guess if this contact is not clean the resistance from the TPS could be changing with constant open throttle causing the ECU to add spurts of fuel through the injectors.

Is this contact clean and in good operating condition? Did you measure the resistance when opening the throttle? you should get zero-open-zero-open on one pole and open-zero-open-zero on the other pole.

[jsayre914]

I got him one going Ron. I have a few.

Got it today, just went out to put it on on my lunch break. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)
I am working till 8pmEST so I will not know if it runs any better till after then. I just adjusted it to exactly where it 0s out like you said.


Thanks again


Cant wait to try it out
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[r_towle]

The classic bucking at constant speed.

What is it in the TPS that causes bucking at constant speed?

I know it has a throttle closed switch to engage the idle circuit in the ECU. But in this case the throttle is open a bit and so the throttle closed switch should be open and out of the circuit.

Then there are the fingers and associated contact to sense if the throttle is moving in the open direction. I guess if this contact is not clean the resistance from the TPS could be changing with constant open throttle causing the ECU to add spurts of fuel through the injectors.

Is this contact clean and in good operating condition? Did you measure the resistance when opening the throttle? you should get zero-open-zero-open on one pole and open-zero-open-zero on the other pole.

Take a look at the Tps switch...it has 20 or so different contact that the fingers ride along, this determines the fuel duration.
A loose finger or inconsistent contact will make the wcu go from position x to idle and back again...
Idle is a non contact area on the middle finger

That is how I figure it's doing it, but I am sure someone will correct me.