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| dlee6204 |
Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
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Howdy ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,162 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Burnsville, NC Member No.: 5,956 |
I thought I would document my A/C adventure in the hopes that it would be a good reference for anyone else considering A/C. I’ll first touch base on the stock system and on custom options and then start building my own system to start testing on. I’ve working on a few systems before but I'm sure there is someone that knows more than me so don't be shy sharing or adding anything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
To begin things off here is one of the better overviews of an A/C system. Follow the link and you can see a breakdown of the whole system. ![]() http://www.movacs.com/How%20it%20works/index.html Anytime I refer to the stock system I will be referring to the dealer installed VPC system mostly because the only A/C cars I had came with this system and I have plenty of parts around. I also borrowed some photos off this site so if I used any of yours... Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Compressor: The compressor that came on dealer installed A/C systems was a York Piston style compressor that had a capacity of 6 cubic inches/Rev. From what I could find it used about 7-10 horsepower from the engine. You can still use this compressor however there are better, more efficient options out there. When choosing a new compressor it is a good idea to find one with a similar capacity. In this case going bigger does not mean better. An A/C system works as a whole unit and if you dramatically change one aspect of it, you will likely see negatives effects elsewhere. Choosing a compressor that’s too big will overwork the system, yielding no little to no benefit, and create a not-as-efficient system. During my search I looked mostly at Sanden style compressors so that's what I'll be referring to in my build. Using a modern compressor like the Sanden will only use about 3-4 hp from the engine. I have heard quite a few people use the Sanden 508 compressor with good results. It has an approximate displacement of 8 cubic inches/rev, which IMO is slightly more than I'd like to make a jump to. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, it obviously works, however I think I will get slightly better results and pressures using the Sanden 507 (approx. 7 cubic inches/rev). The SD507 is also slightly smaller in size than the 508. Here is a picture of the York Compressor A side by side with the SD507 And here is a SD508 ![]() |
dlee6204 Doug's A/C System Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204 Compressor Mounting:
This is probably the bigge... Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204 Condenser:
IMO this is where the biggest improve... Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204 Hoses:
Chances are that anyone doing an A/C syste... Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204 [Future Post] Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204 Reference Pictures:
Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
billh1963 I just removed my York compressor. I could "p... Aug 22 2012, 08:26 PM
dlee6204
I just removed my York compressor. I could ... Aug 22 2012, 08:57 PM
dlee6204 So for my build I will be starting from scratch. ... Aug 22 2012, 09:02 PM
dlee6204 The first thing I did was install the front conden... Aug 22 2012, 09:08 PM
wingnut86 I checked into aftermarket systems for ACs last ye... Aug 22 2012, 09:49 PM
zambezi Here are some of my condensor mountings. I am run... Aug 22 2012, 11:31 PM
mtburman It's important to watch spacing on the condens... Aug 23 2012, 11:28 AM
JRust Man I appreciate this. I will be setting up a/c in... Aug 22 2012, 11:58 PM
Philip W. :Qarl: excellent thread to document for those of ... Aug 23 2012, 06:46 AM
dlee6204
if you can share your parts lists and sources fo... Aug 23 2012, 07:39 AM
dlee6204
I'd be interested in hearing how much cleara... Aug 23 2012, 07:56 AM
76-914 :popcorn: Aug 23 2012, 08:16 AM
TJB/914 :popcorn:
Drive pulley.
T Aug 23 2012, 08:49 AM
andys In a couple of days I can hopefully provide some p... Aug 23 2012, 09:51 AM
dlee6204
In a couple of days I can hopefully provide some ... Aug 23 2012, 02:57 PM
andys
Interesting. Please keep us updated. Do you hav... Aug 23 2012, 04:48 PM
dlee6204 I updated post #9 with a more detailed list of par... Aug 23 2012, 04:53 PM
dlee6204 After getting the condenser in I began routing my ... Aug 23 2012, 05:06 PM
dlee6204 And while we are on the subject of hoses.... I ma... Aug 23 2012, 05:13 PM
dlee6204 The Evaporator install was pretty straight forward... Aug 23 2012, 05:18 PM
dlee6204 Onto the compressor... I decided to go with a to... Aug 23 2012, 06:33 PM
dlee6204 Some more pictures on the test engine.
I ended... Aug 23 2012, 06:38 PM
dlee6204 More
Finished
Aug 23 2012, 06:43 PM
Jeff Bowlsby Do you have to remove the compressor to time the e... Aug 23 2012, 06:57 PM
FourBlades Great thread, thanks for posting this. :Qarl:
... Aug 23 2012, 06:59 PM
dlee6204
Do you have to remove the compressor to time the ... Aug 23 2012, 07:08 PM
cgnj
Do you have to remove the compressor to time the... Aug 23 2012, 07:14 PM
hot_shoe914 Best damn thread EVER in the garage!
:first:... Aug 23 2012, 07:20 PM
dlee6204
Good idea! Aug 23 2012, 07:27 PM
dlee6204 The best thing about this whole setup is that IT W... Aug 23 2012, 07:33 PM
gothspeed fantastic thread :trophy:
when my car gets done... Aug 23 2012, 09:09 PM
metalmorphosis Awesome Doug can't wait to go for a ride somet... Aug 23 2012, 09:19 PM
zambezi
My hoses were originally run that way.... Aug 23 2012, 09:52 PM
zambezi Here are the other pics I took tonight of the comp... Aug 23 2012, 10:02 PM
zambezi These pictures have been posted on this forum befo... Aug 23 2012, 10:09 PM
dlee6204 Thanks for the pictures. I think my setup is a lit... Aug 24 2012, 08:17 AM
Cohibra45 Definitely needs to be in the tech articles when c... Aug 24 2012, 08:46 AM
andys I know I'm delinquent with posting photos of m... Aug 24 2012, 09:59 AM
dlee6204 I thought I would share some additional informatio... Aug 26 2012, 08:12 PM
76-914 Any new developments? Nov 7 2012, 08:58 PM
dlee6204 I ran into a few small issues dealing with the smo... Nov 7 2012, 09:20 PM
dlee6204 I also have a few more changes to make to the syst... Nov 7 2012, 09:27 PM
dlee6204 Oh and here is a thread by andys on a different ap... Nov 7 2012, 09:27 PM
76-914 Just wondered. I will be doing a Suby conversion s... Nov 8 2012, 08:25 AM
dlee6204 I made some progress on my A/C pulley. As I state... Nov 25 2012, 04:12 PM
zambezi looks like a great design. very similar to my cas... Nov 25 2012, 05:09 PM
stateofidleness Cool Thread! Makes me appreciate my "fact... Nov 25 2012, 07:05 PM
dlee6204
Do you have any pictures of it? How is it drive... Nov 25 2012, 07:40 PM
stateofidleness I'll see if I can snap some pics of it. It... Nov 25 2012, 07:46 PM
dlee6204
looks like a great design. very similar to my ca... Nov 25 2012, 08:06 PM
ScoopLV Ugh... this is something I'd totally love to d... Nov 26 2012, 02:12 AM
gothspeed When I eventually get to the A/C ............ I wa... Nov 27 2012, 06:43 PM
dlee6204 I just finished making a new mount. :) I'm... Dec 15 2012, 08:55 AM
dlee6204 RE: Doug's A/C System Dec 15 2012, 08:56 AM
76-914 Looking good in the hood my friend. :popcorn: Dec 15 2012, 09:16 AM
wingnut86 Agreed :D
So, what's the weakest link in the... Dec 15 2012, 10:56 AM
stateofidleness Finally got to the car last weekend and snapped so... Dec 15 2012, 01:39 PM
ClayPerrine
Finally got to the car last weekend and snapped s... Dec 16 2012, 12:17 PM
zambezi I am curios to know what pulley you have to drive ... Dec 15 2012, 09:35 PM
dlee6204
Agreed :D
So, what's the weakest link in th... Dec 15 2012, 09:40 PM
dlee6204 stateofidleness, Thanks for the pics.
:agre... Dec 15 2012, 09:43 PM
wingnut86 I found the link to the company that built Jake Ra... Dec 15 2012, 11:17 PM
rfuerst911sc I plan to make a AC system for my GT clone sometim... Dec 16 2012, 04:32 AM
stateofidleness K guys, I wanted to dig in a little more on this b... Dec 16 2012, 07:39 PM
stateofidleness Couple more... left them a little bigger because i... Dec 16 2012, 07:49 PM
stateofidleness Uno Mas. Markings on the visible side of the compr... Dec 16 2012, 07:51 PM
stateofidleness Couple more reference pics as I finished getting t... Dec 28 2012, 03:35 PM
dlee6204 stateofidleness, Did you ever figure out how your... Jan 24 2013, 07:48 PM
dlee6204 Not a big update but I did finish the pulley adapt... Jan 24 2013, 07:51 PM
dlee6204 Version 2.0 is now up an running. I put a new mot... May 29 2013, 08:00 AM
dlee6204 Oh and for those wondering, to set the timing I us... May 29 2013, 09:28 AM
dlee6204 Now for some boring stuff...
I thought I would ... Jun 1 2013, 02:35 PM
FourBlades Nice work!
I am sure a lot of people would li... Jun 1 2013, 06:02 PM
dlee6204 Just an update. I made a batch of extra adapters ... Sep 9 2013, 07:41 PM
timothy_nd28 I'll take an adapter!
Nice work :beer2: Sep 9 2013, 07:43 PM
dlee6204 BUMP :D
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.ph... Oct 21 2013, 10:45 AM
rsrguy3 Aside from selling kits what was the conclusion? D... Mar 1 2014, 05:42 AM
dlee6204 This system will keep you cool even on a hot day. ... Mar 1 2014, 06:59 AM
3d914
This system will keep you cool even on a hot day.... Mar 7 2014, 11:54 AM
HalfMoon Terrific and very informative thread. I'm very... Mar 3 2014, 06:01 PM
HalfMoon Here's a few images Steve from Renegade just s... Mar 3 2014, 06:59 PM
terryth Good thread. I am embarking on my own AC install p... Mar 25 2017, 05:23 PM
DRPHIL914 just check into this since you have the link on yo... Nov 6 2018, 08:11 AM
Literati914 Interested in thoughts on which, (if either) might... Nov 9 2018, 06:24 PM
Chris914n6
Interested in thoughts on which, (if either) migh... Nov 9 2018, 11:53 PM
friethmiller Condenser Install I think I mistakenly placed my ... Apr 29 2021, 02:48 PM
DRPHIL914
Condenser Install I think I mistakenly placed my... Apr 30 2021, 12:06 PM
DRPHIL914
Condenser Install I think I mistakenly placed my... Apr 30 2021, 12:07 PM
Chris914n6
Condenser Install I think I mistakenly placed my... Apr 30 2021, 03:35 PM
friethmiller Thanks! Good comments here. I like the idea ... May 3 2021, 08:43 AM
friethmiller Starting the A/C Compressor Install. Hired a youn... Jul 27 2021, 10:04 AM
914sgofast2
Starting the A/C Compressor Install. Hired a you... Jul 27 2021, 11:46 AM
Shivers Very cool build Jul 27 2021, 11:59 AM
dlee6204
How will you set or check the engine timing with... Jul 27 2021, 02:02 PM![]() ![]() |
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