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> Doug's A/C System, R&D/Build Thread
dlee6204
post Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
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I thought I would document my A/C adventure in the hopes that it would be a good reference for anyone else considering A/C. I’ll first touch base on the stock system and on custom options and then start building my own system to start testing on. I’ve working on a few systems before but I'm sure there is someone that knows more than me so don't be shy sharing or adding anything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


To begin things off here is one of the better overviews of an A/C system. Follow the link and you can see a breakdown of the whole system.
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http://www.movacs.com/How%20it%20works/index.html





Anytime I refer to the stock system I will be referring to the dealer installed VPC system mostly because the only A/C cars I had came with this system and I have plenty of parts around.

I also borrowed some photos off this site so if I used any of yours... Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Compressor:

The compressor that came on dealer installed A/C systems was a York Piston style compressor that had a capacity of 6 cubic inches/Rev. From what I could find it used about 7-10 horsepower from the engine. You can still use this compressor however there are better, more efficient options out there. When choosing a new compressor it is a good idea to find one with a similar capacity. In this case going bigger does not mean better. An A/C system works as a whole unit and if you dramatically change one aspect of it, you will likely see negatives effects elsewhere. Choosing a compressor that’s too big will overwork the system, yielding no little to no benefit, and create a not-as-efficient system. During my search I looked mostly at Sanden style compressors so that's what I'll be referring to in my build. Using a modern compressor like the Sanden will only use about 3-4 hp from the engine. I have heard quite a few people use the Sanden 508 compressor with good results. It has an approximate displacement of 8 cubic inches/rev, which IMO is slightly more than I'd like to make a jump to. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, it obviously works, however I think I will get slightly better results and pressures using the Sanden 507 (approx. 7 cubic inches/rev). The SD507 is also slightly smaller in size than the 508.

Here is a picture of the York Compressor
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A side by side with the SD507
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And here is a SD508
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dlee6204   Doug's A/C System   Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204   Compressor Mounting: This is probably the bigge...   Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204   Condenser: IMO this is where the biggest improve...   Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204   Hoses: Chances are that anyone doing an A/C syste...   Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204   [Future Post]   Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204   Reference Pictures:   Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
billh1963   I just removed my York compressor. I could "p...   Aug 22 2012, 08:26 PM
dlee6204   I just removed my York compressor. I could ...   Aug 22 2012, 08:57 PM
dlee6204   So for my build I will be starting from scratch. ...   Aug 22 2012, 09:02 PM
dlee6204   The first thing I did was install the front conden...   Aug 22 2012, 09:08 PM
wingnut86   I checked into aftermarket systems for ACs last ye...   Aug 22 2012, 09:49 PM
zambezi   Here are some of my condensor mountings. I am run...   Aug 22 2012, 11:31 PM
mtburman   It's important to watch spacing on the condens...   Aug 23 2012, 11:28 AM
JRust   Man I appreciate this. I will be setting up a/c in...   Aug 22 2012, 11:58 PM
Philip W.   :Qarl: excellent thread to document for those of ...   Aug 23 2012, 06:46 AM
dlee6204   if you can share your parts lists and sources fo...   Aug 23 2012, 07:39 AM
dlee6204   I'd be interested in hearing how much cleara...   Aug 23 2012, 07:56 AM
76-914   :popcorn:   Aug 23 2012, 08:16 AM
TJB/914   :popcorn: Drive pulley. T   Aug 23 2012, 08:49 AM
andys   In a couple of days I can hopefully provide some p...   Aug 23 2012, 09:51 AM
dlee6204   In a couple of days I can hopefully provide some ...   Aug 23 2012, 02:57 PM
andys   Interesting. Please keep us updated. Do you hav...   Aug 23 2012, 04:48 PM
dlee6204   I updated post #9 with a more detailed list of par...   Aug 23 2012, 04:53 PM
dlee6204   After getting the condenser in I began routing my ...   Aug 23 2012, 05:06 PM
dlee6204   And while we are on the subject of hoses.... I ma...   Aug 23 2012, 05:13 PM
dlee6204   The Evaporator install was pretty straight forward...   Aug 23 2012, 05:18 PM
dlee6204   Onto the compressor... I decided to go with a to...   Aug 23 2012, 06:33 PM
dlee6204   Some more pictures on the test engine. I ended...   Aug 23 2012, 06:38 PM
dlee6204   More Finished   Aug 23 2012, 06:43 PM
Jeff Bowlsby   Do you have to remove the compressor to time the e...   Aug 23 2012, 06:57 PM
FourBlades   Great thread, thanks for posting this. :Qarl: ...   Aug 23 2012, 06:59 PM
dlee6204   Do you have to remove the compressor to time the ...   Aug 23 2012, 07:08 PM
cgnj   Do you have to remove the compressor to time the...   Aug 23 2012, 07:14 PM
hot_shoe914   Best damn thread EVER in the garage! :first:...   Aug 23 2012, 07:20 PM
dlee6204   Good idea!   Aug 23 2012, 07:27 PM
dlee6204   The best thing about this whole setup is that IT W...   Aug 23 2012, 07:33 PM
gothspeed   fantastic thread :trophy: when my car gets done...   Aug 23 2012, 09:09 PM
metalmorphosis   Awesome Doug can't wait to go for a ride somet...   Aug 23 2012, 09:19 PM
zambezi   My hoses were originally run that way....   Aug 23 2012, 09:52 PM
zambezi   Here are the other pics I took tonight of the comp...   Aug 23 2012, 10:02 PM
zambezi   These pictures have been posted on this forum befo...   Aug 23 2012, 10:09 PM
dlee6204   Thanks for the pictures. I think my setup is a lit...   Aug 24 2012, 08:17 AM
Cohibra45   Definitely needs to be in the tech articles when c...   Aug 24 2012, 08:46 AM
andys   I know I'm delinquent with posting photos of m...   Aug 24 2012, 09:59 AM
dlee6204   I thought I would share some additional informatio...   Aug 26 2012, 08:12 PM
76-914   Any new developments?   Nov 7 2012, 08:58 PM
dlee6204   I ran into a few small issues dealing with the smo...   Nov 7 2012, 09:20 PM
dlee6204   I also have a few more changes to make to the syst...   Nov 7 2012, 09:27 PM
dlee6204   Oh and here is a thread by andys on a different ap...   Nov 7 2012, 09:27 PM
76-914   Just wondered. I will be doing a Suby conversion s...   Nov 8 2012, 08:25 AM
dlee6204   I made some progress on my A/C pulley. As I state...   Nov 25 2012, 04:12 PM
zambezi   looks like a great design. very similar to my cas...   Nov 25 2012, 05:09 PM
stateofidleness   Cool Thread! Makes me appreciate my "fact...   Nov 25 2012, 07:05 PM
dlee6204   Do you have any pictures of it? How is it drive...   Nov 25 2012, 07:40 PM
stateofidleness   I'll see if I can snap some pics of it. It...   Nov 25 2012, 07:46 PM
dlee6204   looks like a great design. very similar to my ca...   Nov 25 2012, 08:06 PM
ScoopLV   Ugh... this is something I'd totally love to d...   Nov 26 2012, 02:12 AM
gothspeed   When I eventually get to the A/C ............ I wa...   Nov 27 2012, 06:43 PM
dlee6204   I just finished making a new mount. :) I'm...   Dec 15 2012, 08:55 AM
dlee6204   RE: Doug's A/C System   Dec 15 2012, 08:56 AM
76-914   Looking good in the hood my friend. :popcorn:   Dec 15 2012, 09:16 AM
wingnut86   Agreed :D So, what's the weakest link in the...   Dec 15 2012, 10:56 AM
stateofidleness   Finally got to the car last weekend and snapped so...   Dec 15 2012, 01:39 PM
ClayPerrine   Finally got to the car last weekend and snapped s...   Dec 16 2012, 12:17 PM
zambezi   I am curios to know what pulley you have to drive ...   Dec 15 2012, 09:35 PM
dlee6204   Agreed :D So, what's the weakest link in th...   Dec 15 2012, 09:40 PM
dlee6204   stateofidleness, Thanks for the pics. :agre...   Dec 15 2012, 09:43 PM
wingnut86   I found the link to the company that built Jake Ra...   Dec 15 2012, 11:17 PM
rfuerst911sc   I plan to make a AC system for my GT clone sometim...   Dec 16 2012, 04:32 AM
stateofidleness   K guys, I wanted to dig in a little more on this b...   Dec 16 2012, 07:39 PM
stateofidleness   Couple more... left them a little bigger because i...   Dec 16 2012, 07:49 PM
stateofidleness   Uno Mas. Markings on the visible side of the compr...   Dec 16 2012, 07:51 PM
stateofidleness   Couple more reference pics as I finished getting t...   Dec 28 2012, 03:35 PM
dlee6204   stateofidleness, Did you ever figure out how your...   Jan 24 2013, 07:48 PM
dlee6204   Not a big update but I did finish the pulley adapt...   Jan 24 2013, 07:51 PM
dlee6204   Version 2.0 is now up an running. I put a new mot...   May 29 2013, 08:00 AM
dlee6204   Oh and for those wondering, to set the timing I us...   May 29 2013, 09:28 AM
dlee6204   Now for some boring stuff... I thought I would ...   Jun 1 2013, 02:35 PM
FourBlades   Nice work! I am sure a lot of people would li...   Jun 1 2013, 06:02 PM
dlee6204   Just an update. I made a batch of extra adapters ...   Sep 9 2013, 07:41 PM
timothy_nd28   I'll take an adapter! Nice work :beer2:   Sep 9 2013, 07:43 PM
dlee6204   BUMP :D http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.ph...   Oct 21 2013, 10:45 AM
rsrguy3   Aside from selling kits what was the conclusion? D...   Mar 1 2014, 05:42 AM
dlee6204   This system will keep you cool even on a hot day. ...   Mar 1 2014, 06:59 AM
3d914   This system will keep you cool even on a hot day....   Mar 7 2014, 11:54 AM
HalfMoon   Terrific and very informative thread. I'm very...   Mar 3 2014, 06:01 PM
HalfMoon   Here's a few images Steve from Renegade just s...   Mar 3 2014, 06:59 PM
terryth   Good thread. I am embarking on my own AC install p...   Mar 25 2017, 05:23 PM
DRPHIL914   just check into this since you have the link on yo...   Nov 6 2018, 08:11 AM
Literati914   Interested in thoughts on which, (if either) might...   Nov 9 2018, 06:24 PM
Chris914n6   Interested in thoughts on which, (if either) migh...   Nov 9 2018, 11:53 PM
friethmiller   Condenser Install I think I mistakenly placed my ...   Apr 29 2021, 02:48 PM
DRPHIL914   Condenser Install I think I mistakenly placed my...   Apr 30 2021, 12:06 PM
DRPHIL914   Condenser Install I think I mistakenly placed my...   Apr 30 2021, 12:07 PM
Chris914n6   Condenser Install I think I mistakenly placed my...   Apr 30 2021, 03:35 PM
friethmiller   Thanks! Good comments here. I like the idea ...   May 3 2021, 08:43 AM
friethmiller   Starting the A/C Compressor Install. Hired a youn...   Jul 27 2021, 10:04 AM
914sgofast2   Starting the A/C Compressor Install. Hired a you...   Jul 27 2021, 11:46 AM
Shivers   Very cool build   Jul 27 2021, 11:59 AM
dlee6204   How will you set or check the engine timing with...   Jul 27 2021, 02:02 PM
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