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> Doug's A/C System, R&D/Build Thread
dlee6204
post Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
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I thought I would document my A/C adventure in the hopes that it would be a good reference for anyone else considering A/C. I’ll first touch base on the stock system and on custom options and then start building my own system to start testing on. I’ve working on a few systems before but I'm sure there is someone that knows more than me so don't be shy sharing or adding anything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


To begin things off here is one of the better overviews of an A/C system. Follow the link and you can see a breakdown of the whole system.
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http://www.movacs.com/How%20it%20works/index.html





Anytime I refer to the stock system I will be referring to the dealer installed VPC system mostly because the only A/C cars I had came with this system and I have plenty of parts around.

I also borrowed some photos off this site so if I used any of yours... Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Compressor:

The compressor that came on dealer installed A/C systems was a York Piston style compressor that had a capacity of 6 cubic inches/Rev. From what I could find it used about 7-10 horsepower from the engine. You can still use this compressor however there are better, more efficient options out there. When choosing a new compressor it is a good idea to find one with a similar capacity. In this case going bigger does not mean better. An A/C system works as a whole unit and if you dramatically change one aspect of it, you will likely see negatives effects elsewhere. Choosing a compressor that’s too big will overwork the system, yielding no little to no benefit, and create a not-as-efficient system. During my search I looked mostly at Sanden style compressors so that's what I'll be referring to in my build. Using a modern compressor like the Sanden will only use about 3-4 hp from the engine. I have heard quite a few people use the Sanden 508 compressor with good results. It has an approximate displacement of 8 cubic inches/rev, which IMO is slightly more than I'd like to make a jump to. I'm not saying it wouldn't work, it obviously works, however I think I will get slightly better results and pressures using the Sanden 507 (approx. 7 cubic inches/rev). The SD507 is also slightly smaller in size than the 508.

Here is a picture of the York Compressor
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A side by side with the SD507
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And here is a SD508
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dlee6204   Doug's A/C System   Aug 22 2012, 08:05 PM
dlee6204   Nice work @friethmiller . It's nice to see i...   Jul 27 2021, 02:03 PM
friethmiller   Thanks Doug and Shivers! Inching closer to th...   Jul 27 2021, 02:34 PM
dlee6204   This one   Jul 28 2021, 03:49 AM
Warren914   I'm having AC installed this summer as part of...   Jul 28 2021, 05:38 AM
Mark Henry   I'm having AC installed this summer as part o...   Jul 28 2021, 07:18 AM
Warren914   Hope you're taking photos! I have a bunch...   Jul 28 2021, 07:37 AM
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Mark Henry   Which evap unit did you purchase from Vintage Ai...   Jul 28 2021, 08:16 PM
Warren914   Tech support at VintageAir has been very good. I...   Jul 29 2021, 12:40 AM
friethmiller   Sounds like a cool build Warren914. Maybe you and...   Jul 28 2021, 09:55 AM
Warren914   I don't feel it's my place to post photos ...   Jul 28 2021, 10:13 AM
bandjoey   I don't feel it's my place to post photos...   Jul 28 2021, 06:42 PM
friethmiller   I actually did not care for the evaporate unit tha...   Jul 29 2021, 09:40 AM
djway   Looks good. I rehabbed a VPC unit for my T4 powere...   Jul 29 2021, 03:50 PM
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76-914   That looks great!   Jul 29 2021, 07:10 PM
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djway   My vents are aprox 4 x 1.25 :( I always went a li...   Jul 30 2021, 10:52 PM
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michelko   Hi that is a very clean setup. Can you num...   Aug 20 2021, 02:05 AM
friethmiller   Hi that is a very clean setup. Can you number...   Aug 23 2021, 09:06 AM
djway   If you shorten the filler would it clear? I used e...   Jul 31 2021, 10:37 PM
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ChrisFoley   Why are you mounting the compressor on top of th...   Aug 2 2021, 04:37 AM
friethmiller   Wow! Glad I went this route. Thanks, Chris. ...   Aug 2 2021, 07:19 AM
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AZBanks   I used the Gilmore mount and a Sanden sd5h11 compr...   Aug 4 2021, 04:11 PM
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friethmiller   :bump:   Apr 11 2022, 12:17 PM
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friethmiller   If I were doing it, I would put it in the tunnel ...   Jun 9 2022, 12:06 PM
Chris914n6   You left out the binary pressure switch. Also you ...   Apr 13 2022, 08:23 PM
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ChrisFoley   :beer2:   Jun 3 2022, 03:25 PM
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friethmiller   thanks! Funny, I was just searching for an id...   Jun 4 2022, 06:56 AM
ChrisFoley   thanks! Funny, I was just searching for an i...   Jun 4 2022, 03:43 PM
friethmiller   thanks! Funny, I was just searching for an ...   Jun 4 2022, 04:43 PM
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technicalninja   Looking forward to your visit! :ninja: Just...   Mar 25 2024, 01:30 PM
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