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> how much bar is to much bar?
ottox914
post Oct 26 2004, 04:37 PM
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I 'll first describe how the '14 is set up, then what I'm thinking and why, then you guys take it from there: Front: 21mm front T bars, 19mm weltmeister sway bar, set about 1/4 in from full soft, koni oil (911) sport adjustables in shortened housings, usually run at 1/2 turn in from full soft. Allignment as much neg as I can get, which is about 1 1/2 per side, 1/8 total toe out, caster at high end of factory specs. Back: Koni gas sports, (914), run full soft, 175# springs, threaded adjusters, no rear sway bar, no toe and no neg camber. Koni competition bump stops all the way around. Stock 15 x 5.5 rims w/Azenis, going to kuhmo or hoosier for next season, on either factory rims or 6.0 panasports. Rack spacers up front. Lowered to about 2-2.5" of travel for front struts before hitting the bump stops, back end lowered to corner balance to 49/51 diagonals. Open diff. 2.0 motor, soon to be kitcarlson'd, kerry hunter header w/supertrapp, "custom" (home-made) cold air kit, basically a K & N mounted on some pvc on top of the throttle body that sits right under the engine lid mesh w/the rain tray out.

I like the way it handles, in specific, the throttle lift oversteer at higher speeds to rotate around a cone. The car will be DSP for next season. Don't like the body roll. I think from seeing photos there is too much.

Plan of attack? I have always thought getting spring rates right was the first step, then sort the F/R balance with the sway bars, and fine tune at the track with shocks and air pressures, in that order. Here's what I'm thinking- go to the 23mm front sway bar, adjustable drop links to make sure there is no pre-load, add the (?) 18mm rear adjustable bar. Increase both bars a similar amount to try to retain the front/rear balance, and hopefully lose some body roll in the deal. Maybe go back to the 150# springs sitting in the garage.

Use is auto x, no lapping or road course stuff. (yet)

So, how about it? Anyone been there/done that? Most of the folks I've talked to locally stay away from a rear bar. I like the F/R balance the car currently has, and know how to fine tune it w/shocks/tire pressures for the conditions of the day. When I have tried to tighten up on the front bar, it just seems to become a pushing machine, and with the shocks set other than noted, it rides like a dump truck. Just gotta get rid of some roll, or just get used to it. waddya all think?
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ottox914   how much bar is to much bar?   Oct 26 2004, 04:37 PM
!   Unless you have an LSD or gobs of power I would no...   Oct 26 2004, 05:08 PM
Joseph Mills   ...   Oct 26 2004, 05:50 PM
SirAndy   do you have a roll-cage or bar? if not, you'l...   Oct 26 2004, 05:51 PM
Bleyseng   As Joseph says, go to a 23mm sway bar and also hea...   Oct 26 2004, 07:10 PM
Joseph Mills   Looking at your settings again, I think it might b...   Oct 26 2004, 07:11 PM
Joseph Mills   ...   Oct 26 2004, 07:21 PM
Bleyseng   yup! then go have some fun! Geoff   Oct 26 2004, 09:28 PM
ottox914   Thanks for the replies- some more info on the car ...   Oct 26 2004, 09:29 PM
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ottox914   Hey, Dave-o, are you AKA David H., and did you lea...   Oct 26 2004, 09:44 PM
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Dave-O   p.s. At Davanni’s Pizza on Riverside right?   Oct 26 2004, 10:00 PM
Racer Chris   You don't need a cage to stiffen the chassis, ...   Oct 26 2004, 10:24 PM
trekkor   ok...me again. 31mm front bar 2/3 towards soft. s...   Oct 26 2004, 11:03 PM
Joseph Mills   ...   Oct 27 2004, 12:05 AM
bob91403   Would progressive springs solve his drive to, and ...   Oct 27 2004, 12:46 AM
J P Stein   I've learned some stuff about suspension for A...   Oct 27 2004, 02:01 AM
bob91403   I've got a set of 165 progressives on my stree...   Oct 27 2004, 02:48 AM
J P Stein   ...   Oct 27 2004, 02:59 AM
bob91403   The way I understood it, softer ride on flats, sti...   Oct 27 2004, 03:07 AM
J P Stein   ...   Oct 27 2004, 03:17 AM
bob91403   Thanks, I understand now. In any racing situation ...   Oct 27 2004, 03:40 AM
Racer Chris   ...   Oct 27 2004, 05:24 AM
bob91403   Thanks, that clears up the oversteer question. It...   Oct 27 2004, 05:47 AM
Racer Chris   ...   Oct 27 2004, 06:10 AM
bob91403   Still looking for opinions on my choice of the 165...   Oct 27 2004, 06:24 AM
ottox914   Depneds on your use. In an earlier evolution of m...   Oct 27 2004, 06:52 AM
groot   Back to the original question of this thread. I ha...   Oct 27 2004, 07:54 AM
ottox914   replies to replies- Bleyseng or others: will 7" ...   Oct 27 2004, 08:30 AM
groot   Great. Sounds like the front roll center is not yo...   Oct 27 2004, 09:14 AM
Bleyseng   The cookies will fit if you massage the fenders so...   Oct 27 2004, 10:13 AM
ottox914   Groot- did you find a happy medium (not a hallowee...   Oct 27 2004, 02:32 PM
groot   No, sir, but I wasn't futzing with that car, a...   Oct 27 2004, 02:37 PM
trekkor   You heard me, 31mm! front bar. Totally adjust...   Oct 27 2004, 04:28 PM
Mueller   your 19mm bar = solid trekkors 31mm bar = hollow ...   Oct 27 2004, 04:32 PM
phantom914   <...   Oct 27 2004, 04:44 PM
Aaron Cox   how does tarett rate their bars? :idea:   Oct 27 2004, 04:53 PM
ChrisReale   <...   Oct 27 2004, 06:05 PM
Bleyseng   oops, yup I meant 5.5" Fuchs. If you are still fou...   Oct 27 2004, 06:18 PM
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