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> "Beauty" being a 'Beest'tach, Starter issuse
Mike Bellis
post Sep 13 2012, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(Jeffs9146 @ Sep 13 2012, 05:52 PM) *

The car is running very reliably now a days but I still cant get my wife to ride in it! She says "its to small and to loud"!


Time to buy a new wife... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

QUOTE(Jeffs9146 @ Sep 13 2012, 05:52 PM) *

PS: I don't think it would click if it was the relay under the seat!

If there is a shitty corroded splice, it may only click. All depends on what is dropping the voltage before it gets to the starter... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Sep 13 2012, 07:01 PM
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and to confirm it, I actually click the the dam seatbelt!
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post Sep 13 2012, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Sep 13 2012, 06:00 PM) *

QUOTE(Jeffs9146 @ Sep 13 2012, 05:52 PM) *

The car is running very reliably now a days but I still cant get my wife to ride in it! She says "its to small and to loud"!


Time to buy a new wife... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)

QUOTE(Jeffs9146 @ Sep 13 2012, 05:52 PM) *

PS: I don't think it would click if it was the relay under the seat!

If there is a shitty corroded splice, it may only click. All depends on what is dropping the voltage before it gets to the starter... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Sure, anything is possible!

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Time to buy a new wife... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)


It just means I get more free time to my self (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

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post Sep 13 2012, 08:18 PM
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I had the same problem just a few weeks ago, after wasting money and time, this is how I fixed it:

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...92269&st=20

The cable from the positive battery post to the starter, the end was so corroded, inside the wire, that I had to cut off almost an inch to get to good clean copper, and replace with a new battery connector. Started on first try...
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post Sep 13 2012, 10:22 PM
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Another item you can check/clean is the ground strap from the body to the rear of the transaxle (if not already checked) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Sep 13 2012, 10:38 PM
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I agree with the above too. I have seen guys spend way too much money replacing parts just to find the battery cables need replacing.

When was the last time you replaced them?
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post Sep 14 2012, 04:48 AM
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If the starter works when using the screwdriver, the battery cables must be OK. Sounds like your hot start relay OR wiring from it has gone bad. Check the relay and all connections. The relay just replaces the screwdriver. Works with screwdriver, doesn't with relay = something in the relay circuit is bad.
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post Sep 14 2012, 07:02 AM
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+1 Tom

The Yellow wire comes to front side of relay board and then leaves relay board from rear side to Solenod. Wiring diagram is your friend for which pins. It sounds very similar to recent trouble of mine. Loose wire in the Seat Belt Loop.

If you have power to relay board(front) but not out back. I would be looking at relay board/relays.

If you have power to relay board(front) and out back. I would be looking at solenod.

It you dont have power to front of relay board. I would be thinking seat belt loop wiring.

Good Luck,,,,
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post Sep 14 2012, 08:22 AM
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If the starter works when using the screwdriver, the battery cables must be OK.


Not necessarily. He has a keyed hot coming off the harness (hence the click). Jumping the solenoid will utilize that. He needs the + lead from the battery. "Just" went through this with my build.

Guessing that when the battery was replaced the + lead may have been dis-lodged in the + connector etc.

Regardless, it's a 5 minute trouble shoot, and a worthy one at that, to just make sure all of those connections are solid and clean.

Read Turk22's post.
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post Sep 14 2012, 08:30 AM
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need to do some MacGiver trick


Get the fattest, cleanest length of wire you can and string it from your + post to your starter hot lead. Turn the key. There's your MacGiver trick.

We did that with some #10 but BE CAREFUL TO ONLY TEST THIS WAY. It will get hot and melt the sheathing quickly if you're cranking on it.

If it works, go out and grab some #4 and a bitch'n end at your local Home Depot. 7ft. will do the trick and you may just have 10-12" left over for safety sake.
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post Sep 14 2012, 11:49 AM
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I am not sure if this has been suggested. BUT, I remember a while back I had the exact same problem when my 75 sat in the southwestern sun. The ignition switch had a crack and when it heated up it would no longer make full contact when I turned the key and all I would get is one loud click, then nothing. I could start it with the screwdriver and new pants trick. Once cooled down it worked fine.

Maybe your ignition switch is cracked and not making contact enough to get the full power it needs to activate the relay.

When i put in a new switch, problem was gone!

Just my 26 centavos
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post Sep 14 2012, 12:44 PM
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There is insufficient current getting to your starter solenoid.

Run jumper cables to another vehicle to rule out battery and battery-post connections. If it still doesn't crank, there is current loss in your system. That means dirty connections along the path.

I know a lot of people love the extra relay by the starter. But take that band aid out of the loop and get it working without it FIRST! It's just another potential point of failure while you are troubleshooting. It might just surprise you and work withOUT that thing. If it still doesn't work without it, then something in the system is weak and you need to fix THAT weakness first. Otherwise you are leaving gremlins in the system.

If your system gets into a state that works with the extra relay but not without, then there is a weakness in the system! (I get the point that a relay offloads current from the switching system and the value of that.) But if it won't crank without the relay then the wiring is compromised. Fix it first, add the relay back later if it makes you feel better.
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post Sep 14 2012, 02:57 PM
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We refreshed the wires and cables (snipped-off any corroded ends where necessary) and crimped new connectors on when we installed the upgraded drive train in the 'BB'. I didn't reinstall the hot-start relay that was on the car when we first got it. It's working fine (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Sep 18 2012, 12:05 PM
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majkos,
Did you find the problem?
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post Sep 18 2012, 03:01 PM
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Nope.

That's why I'm MajKOS ( Major Chaos) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I got a chance to grab another battery lead,
bumped the hot start relay, starter jumped,
so I thought, back to basic set-up,
dis-connect the hot start relay,
new cable/lead/thick battery wire to starter.

**click**
hook up battery charger, plenty of amp (just to make sure!)
**click**

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How do I check to make sure there is enough power
to the starter via ignition switch ?
a two person job?

I say this, because coming home from a great event ( Red Rock Classic)
at night, I used my headlights, but cannot use "High" beam for more than a few seconds.



Another reason I'm trying to get to the bottom of these elec. issuses.


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post Sep 18 2012, 03:43 PM
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Can you rig a remote starter as a test? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Sep 18 2012, 04:05 PM
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I've thought of that, but I HATE electrical stuff.

Thanks for the idea though, because I know I have a spring loaded toggle switch,
I'm gonna man up and get 'her dun! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)
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post Sep 18 2012, 04:10 PM
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That's an easy enough test to rig up and should at the least help you to isolate the problem.
Good luck and have a Sams, it'll work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif)
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post Sep 18 2012, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(Kirmizi @ Sep 18 2012, 02:10 PM) *

That's an easy enough test to rig up and should at the least help you to isolate the problem.
Good luck and have a Sams, it'll work (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif)
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as usual, you're correct.
but on the beer?
since I'm paying full price, I changed, to

Colorado Native. everything grown in Colo.Hopps, Barley
water?
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post Sep 18 2012, 08:50 PM
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well................."Beauty" fine

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maybe DumbAss Owner, (That'll be me),
replace the simple yellow slide on clip, (On Yellow wire)
which slides on a prong of the starter
power source from ignition, it be all good.

But check THIS out!

I had TWO Gas line leaks,

One on end of cold start valve,
the other, line coming from pump to fuel injection, (plastic to rubber)
PEEING everywhere!

Hmmmm, she's sayin' sumthin'? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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