Standard 1.7 to 2.0 Upgrade, ...................what's that mean? |
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Standard 1.7 to 2.0 Upgrade, ...................what's that mean? |
7TPorsh |
Sep 26 2012, 10:52 AM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
I am trying to figure out what I have. PO said it was the "standard" 2.0 upgrade. But I don't know what that is. I smiled and said "oh".
So here is what I found in the glove compartment way back. So 2.0 case? what does that mean? Different cam? solid lifters? is that good? Car slowly started running bad and now I can't seem to get it started and idling. I have changed and relocated the fuel pump and installed a pressure gauge at the carbs...3psi constant. So the investigation moves to the ignition. I took off my pertronix and put the points back, set dwell, played with timing (no light)...no difference. I started reading about dizzys and got dizzy...but I think I will need a better one. So I have dual Webers...and that's all I know. What model? Vacuum...don't know. There is a sticker on them. Is that a rebuild sticker from Internic |
7TPorsh |
Sep 26 2012, 10:58 AM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
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7TPorsh |
Sep 26 2012, 11:02 AM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
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dlee6204 |
Sep 26 2012, 11:14 AM
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Howdy Group: Members Posts: 2,162 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Burnsville, NC Member No.: 5,956 |
QUOTE is this the crappy 009? Yes |
type47 |
Sep 26 2012, 11:15 AM
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Viermeister Group: Members Posts: 4,254 Joined: 7-August 03 From: Vienna, VA Member No.: 994 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
In my opinion, a "standard" 2.0 upgrade would be to install "Euro" pistons which simply ups the compression ratio from factory 7.6 (~ish) to 8.0. Your engine has carbs so if you really want or need to know the upgrade, I'd say you'd have to ask the PO or the shop who did the work (if they could remember that from 04!)
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Cupomeat |
Sep 26 2012, 11:29 AM
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missing my NY 914 in VA Group: Members Posts: 1,336 Joined: 26-November 07 From: Oakton VA Member No.: 8,376 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Ok, So given the pictures your car has 1.7 or 1.8 heads on it (spark plug locations gives it away), SO, the upgrade could be one of the following;
1. Replaced the pistons and cylinders with 2.0 Ps&Cs, replaced the rods and crank with a 2.0l set up and machined the heads to fit (Best case you could hope for in this case) 2. Replaced the Pistons and Cylinders with 96mm units bringing displacement to 1911cc (likely) 3. Replaced the pistons and cylinders with 2.0 Ps&Cs, kept the same rods and crank as the 1.7l set up (66mm stroke) and machined the heads to fit (unlikely) I hope that helps. |
mepstein |
Sep 26 2012, 11:49 AM
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914-6 GT in waiting Group: Members Posts: 19,258 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Landenberg, PA/Wilmington, DE Member No.: 10,825 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Call the shop and ask them. Someone might know. Maybe...
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wingnut86 |
Sep 26 2012, 12:36 PM
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...boola la boo boola boo... Group: Members Posts: 1,053 Joined: 22-April 10 From: South Carolina Member No.: 11,645 Region Association: South East States |
looks like you are missing a little sensor wire as well...
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cgnj |
Sep 26 2012, 01:37 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 623 Joined: 6-March 03 From: Medford, NJ Member No.: 403 Region Association: None |
looks like you are missing a little sensor wire as well... Great. exactly what sensor is he missing and how would that effect his performance and his unkown 2.0 upgrade issues? Oh wait looks like oil pressure sender is not connected. How's that for useful info? Look on the bright the bright side your post count went up. |
7TPorsh |
Sep 26 2012, 03:01 PM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
Yes, little sensor wire got snagged.....thank you.
dizzy says 008 is that same as 009? Can I install a vacuum advance dizzy with these carbs? What carbs are these? 40s? IDF, DCOE, ...not that I know the difference. |
Dave_Darling |
Sep 26 2012, 04:52 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,982 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Don't worry about exactly what type of distributor you have yet. Sort out the motor and get it to start.
Do you have compression? Does the starter sound like it's cranking evenly, or is there a quiet bit in the pattern? It should sound kind of like "RR-RR-RR-RR-RR-RR-RR", not "RR-RR-RR-..-RR-RR-RR-..-RR-RR-RR". Do you have spark? Have you grabbed an extra plug and hooked it up to one of the plug wires, taped it to a ground, and watched as the starter was cranked? How about hooking a plug wire up to the center terminal on the coil and checking the same way? Do you have power to the coil? You should get +12V to the (+) terminal on it when the key is on. It looks like there's no ground braid from the points plate to the body of the distributor. This could keep the points from completing the circuit to ground, and triggering the spark. The usual solution is to rebuild the distributor, but you may be able to get away with soldering a wire to the plate and hooking it under one of the bits screwed into the side of the distributor. At least in the short term, for testing purposes. --DD |
7TPorsh |
Sep 26 2012, 05:45 PM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
It cranks and fires just doesn't keep running. Feels like no gas but getting pressure....can the carbs clog?
Was thinking a new dizzy would be a good upgrade if not too expensive. |
Dave_Darling |
Sep 27 2012, 12:20 AM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,982 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Do you have compression?
Do you have spark? Do you have fuel? You need all three of these. Figure out which one is missing to determine why the engine doesn't run. --DD |
7TPorsh |
Sep 27 2012, 11:23 AM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
Nay pics of the copper braid on the dizzy?
Wondering is I should just replace the it. I am getting fuel to the carbs but is there any easy way to see if they are clogged in any way? |
nolift914 |
Sep 27 2012, 03:35 PM
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Autoxer Group: Members Posts: 183 Joined: 24-May 09 From: Rockaway Beach NY Member No.: 10,399 Region Association: None |
You need to check the jets in the Carbs, open up the air cleaners and unscrew the two brass tubes in the center. Blow them out and check if there is any debris in them, you may need to do the same with the idle jets on the base of the carbs. they are behind a set of flat head screws.
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euro911 |
Sep 27 2012, 08:18 PM
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! Group: Members Posts: 8,849 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California |
Also check your fuel filter(s). In addition, check the fuel strainers that are under the large brass bolts at the bottom your fuel inlets.
Have you completed a compression test? Valve adjustment? |
Dave_Darling |
Sep 27 2012, 11:03 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,982 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
Again:
Do you have spark? Have you checked? Do you have compression? Have you checked? Do you have fuel going in? Have you checked? --DD |
7TPorsh |
Sep 28 2012, 09:31 AM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
I haven't checked compression yet. Car was running ok with no major events causing me to think I blew the rings.
My suspicion (spelling?) is fuel starvation but I am getting 3psi at the hose tee before the carbs. Going to try to check the carbs this weekend. |
7TPorsh |
Sep 30 2012, 12:12 PM
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7T Porsh Group: Members Posts: 2,691 Joined: 27-March 06 From: Glendale Ca Member No.: 5,782 Region Association: Southern California |
Got it running...but not so great. I set the points, rewired the coil and dizzy and it started...barely.
I twisted the dizzy to get a smooth idle...I have a timing gun but damn impossible to see the marks even with a small mirror. Need more hands. Car will idle forever.... but it pops (backfires) now and then. I rev it and i see all throats squirting fuel. I can drive the car but it is rough and spastic. Won't really spin up the revs either. I tried adjusting the dizzy a few times and driving but no change. Runs sporadically and it miss fires a little. Also when I rev the engine and look at the dizzty I see sparks flying out of he screw below the condenser. It's not really tight I don;t have the correct screw. Does it really spark that much inside the dizzy? Don't see any grounding wire. I wouldn't mind getting a different dizzy if someone has a good used one...the right one I need. Maybe a sticky valve? Would a compression test see this? I don't have a tester. |
914itis |
Sep 30 2012, 12:43 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,892 Joined: 9-October 10 From: New York City Member No.: 12,256 Region Association: North East States |
I would make sure that it is properly timed before looking at other things . I am sure you have someone local here on this board who would lend you a hand .
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