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Removing transmission Drain Plugs, heat? |
Jon H. |
Oct 3 2012, 08:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 237 Joined: 1-July 11 From: Ottawa, Canada Member No.: 13,264 Region Association: Canada |
I have my transmission apart on the bench and I can't get the drain plug out? I'm not sure if I should use heat or not; out of fear of melting the case? What do you guys think? A little heat with the propane or get glowing with the oxy?
Thanks' Jon |
brant |
Oct 3 2012, 09:03 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,622 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
a little heat and a lot of heat are two different things
I played with some cut up cases and propane before it did not ignite the magnesium mixture I don't know if it would be safe or not to put an oxy torch to it if it did ignite a magnesium fire you are in deep deep trouble. it may be that the magnesium alloy of a case is safe and there is no risk... but what if? I've never had to use heat on over a dozen or so that I've played with you should be able to get it with a correct wrench and some soaked in penetrating oil. Its an NPT type of thread pitch, so its probably just over tightened... try a breaker bar |
gus91326 |
Oct 3 2012, 10:45 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 23 Joined: 14-August 12 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 14,803 Region Association: None |
Impact wrench.
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Dr Evil |
Oct 4 2012, 06:39 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,995 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I use up to MAP heat on them with no issue. I do not know about Oxy/acetylene, though.
I find that if heat does not work, I just drill a huge hole in the middle of the plug and use an easy out or other large rod with grippers. It comes out easy then. I have spare plugs if you need that are in perfect shape. |
SirAndy |
Oct 4 2012, 08:05 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,625 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
if it did ignite a magnesium fire you are in deep deep trouble (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
Dr Evil |
Oct 4 2012, 08:17 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,995 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Even shavings of the case do not ignite well with MAP. I have tried to start parts of the case to see if I could with MAP, I could not.
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Jon H. |
Oct 4 2012, 08:21 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 237 Joined: 1-July 11 From: Ottawa, Canada Member No.: 13,264 Region Association: Canada |
Well I ended up using the impact and it came out. The threads were still good too.
Thanks for the help' |
Richard Casto |
Oct 5 2012, 08:56 AM
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Blue Sky Motorsports, LLC Group: Members Posts: 1,465 Joined: 2-August 05 From: Durham, NC Member No.: 4,523 Region Association: South East States |
I use up to MAP heat on them with no issue. This seems to work for me nearly 100% of the time as well. I start with about 15-20 seconds of heat in a circular motion around the plug and then try to remove. It first attempt doesn't work, I repeat. It generally works on the first or second heat cycle. Generally the ones that are problematic are those in which the plug has been chewed up by previous attempts to remove and the hex socket no longer fits very well. Richard |
steuspeed |
Oct 5 2012, 12:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,006 Joined: 12-July 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 13,308 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
On my first trans oil change I had to use my socket breaker bar. It's at least 2 feet long. There was well over 100 ftlbs on the drain plug. I bet the last guy used a impact gun to put it in. I think the spec is 15 ftlbs.
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Ian Stott |
Oct 5 2012, 03:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 907 Joined: 28-January 08 From: Moncton/Canada Member No.: 8,635 Region Association: Canada |
I sprayed liquid wrench, tried it, no go. Did that every time (once a day at least) I walked by the tranny which was out on a bench, third day it came by hand, no power tools or breaker bars, no damage.
Ian Stott Moncton Canada |
ArtechnikA |
Oct 5 2012, 03:36 PM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
Well I ended up using the impact and it came out. The threads were still good too. Now that it's out, you can consider using the 911 / 914.6 parts - external hex. They're all tapered and do not require huge torque to effect a seal. Anti-sieze is a good idea no matter which plug you use. |
Dr Evil |
Oct 5 2012, 11:47 PM
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Send me your transmission! Group: Members Posts: 22,995 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Loveland, OH 45140 Member No.: 1,372 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I have not seen any of the external 911/914-6 plugs for sale. Do you know a source?
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ArtechnikA |
Oct 6 2012, 04:42 AM
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rich herzog Group: Members Posts: 7,390 Joined: 4-April 03 From: Salted Roads, PA Member No.: 513 Region Association: None |
I have not seen any of the external 911/914-6 plugs for sale. Do you know a source? Mine just came attached to the cars. Always figured it was a dealer item. Stoddard has a 999-064-020-02 magnetic drain plug for $16, which they say fits 519, 644, 716, and 741 transmissions - but they're the 356 specialists. That's the part number for 911 from the PET. No description tho. Pelican has the same part number, but they do describe it as a 17mm internal hex, even though they show the same range of applications ('65-'89 911, 914). Since it's a 999 number Porsche considered it 'general supply' so the 19mm external hex parts may just have been what was available off the shelf in the early '70's. I expect there's a stash of them somewhere, possibly with someone who does a lot of 911 transmissions - Gary Fairbanks? So - I didn't mean to set someone off on a wild goose chase, just thought it'd be a dealer item. |
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