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Elliot Cannon |
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914 Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Members Posts: 8,487 Joined: 29-December 06 From: Paso Robles Ca. (Central coast) Member No.: 7,407 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() ![]() |
While taking things apart for my 5lug conversion, I was taking the stub axle off and found there was NO CV joint gasket between the stub axle and the CV joint. Is this normal or did I just forget to install one when I replaced the axle about 7 years ago. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Is there any way to determine what kind of shape the CV joints are in without actually taking all the bearings out? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
Thanks, Elliot |
Jeffs9146 |
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Ski Bum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 ![]() |
This has been an on going debate and I would say it is your choice to use them or not!
Some say the bolts can loosen if you use them and my not if you don't! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
abnrdo |
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 399 Joined: 24-September 04 From: Panama City, FL Member No.: 2,820 Region Association: South East States ![]() |
Mine had Permatex and no gasket.
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pcar916 |
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Is that a Lola? ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,523 Joined: 2-June 05 From: Little Rock, AR Member No.: 4,188 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() |
I use only high-temperature Permatex with no gaskets. As long as I'm really rigorous about cleanup and surface preparation, I have no leaks. I say rigorous because the first couple of times I did it without the gaskets, I got grease on the sealing surfaces while I was attaching the inboard axle/cv and had the grease sling out of it. About the dissassembly for inspection, I don't know any other way.
It would be cool to measure some degree of "looseness" at a specific angle of deflection and discover wear that way, but I can't do it reliably. While they're apart I clean them excessively so I can get a good look at the wear on all bearing surfaces for pitting, deep grooving, and galling. That's the only way I know to see what's going on and at the same time get the surfaces clean enough to get good seals with the Permatex (or whatever you use). I like to refresh the lube once a year and always with synthetic grease. This is not a job I enjoy on the car but it's important to keep those things in good working order. They last a long time that way. Good luck |
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Twodollardoug ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,155 Joined: 17-December 10 From: calimesa ca. Member No.: 12,492 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
This is one job i dread. I don't use gaskets either. I use a thin layer of yamabond as sealant. I also safety wire my cv bolts. I use bel-ray cv grease in mine. My rule is, if the boot isn't leaking I don't open them. I just wish I could find boots that last. The off roaders boots are tuff. Gates boots for instance. I had gates boots on my class 5 car for 3 solid years. And they saw the worse abuse imaginable. Never one problem. My cv's were 930s on the 5 car. And my axles were maxed to 28 degrees. Gates dosn't make boots in a type 1 size which sucks. I have replaced one of my 914 cv boots twice in the last 5k miles. And each time they were german reinz boots. What a nasty job. Last time I didn't even remove the axle to replace the boot. So that was a big plus but it still sucked. I am always on the hunt for a good, tuff, type 1 size boot. I have a buddy who races a class 11 car, I'll find out what type of boots they run. They use type 1 cv's like we do.
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Spooling.... Please wait ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 13,377 Joined: 20-January 03 From: Riverbank, Ca Member No.: 172 Region Association: Northern California ![]() ![]() |
No gaskets on my v8 drifter... No leaks, always dry.
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euro911 |
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Retired & living the dream. God help me if I wake up! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 8,880 Joined: 2-December 06 From: So.Cal. & No.AZ (USA) Member No.: 7,300 Region Association: Southern California ![]() ![]() |
I install them and mine don't leak (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
But then again, I have a tan targa top too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) |
bulitt |
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Achtzylinder ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,189 Joined: 2-October 11 Member No.: 13,632 Region Association: South East States ![]() |
While taking things apart for my 5lug conversion, I was taking the stub axle off and found there was NO CV joint gasket between the stub axle and the CV joint. Is this normal or did I just forget to install one when I replaced the axle about 7 years ago. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) Is there any way to determine what kind of shape the CV joints are in without actually taking all the bearings out? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Thanks, Elliot I would think if the CV's are still packed with grease then they would be fine from a lubrication point of view. |
pcar916 |
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Is that a Lola? ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,523 Joined: 2-June 05 From: Little Rock, AR Member No.: 4,188 Region Association: None ![]() ![]() |
I would think if the CV's are still packed with grease then they would be fine from a lubrication point of view. S'true but for a few things. If the CV is worn good lubrication will only take you so far. It's still weaker than one that's not worn. If you have a stock car and baby it, likely refreshing the grease is all you need for a very long time. Boots are porous to some degree and eventually the grease looses it's fluid by evaporation. As well CV's wear metal into the lube so the longer the interval between repacking them the more abrasive the grease is. I'd still inspect every few years and repack them. Some grooving ok, deep grooves, galling and severely worn cages aren't. On a high horsepower car the CV wear is more important to monitor for obvious reasons, so that's why I do it yearly. I truly dislike the CV-repack work, but with the of't mentioned Nitrile gloves it's not something I'm willing to pay someone else to do. It is close though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
Eric_Shea |
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PMB Performance ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 19,301 Joined: 3-September 03 From: Salt Lake City, UT Member No.: 1,110 Region Association: Rocky Mountains ![]() ![]() |
Elliott,
I'd put the proper gasket in there. Use new Schnorr washers and a tube of LubroMoly in each. Like Ron said... not fun but, in for a penny, in for a pound at this point. |
Gint |
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Mike Ginter ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 16,096 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains ![]() ![]() |
I always use 'em. They're cheap. It's nice using clean ones.
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Valy |
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Senior Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,677 Joined: 6-April 10 From: Sunnyvale, CA Member No.: 11,573 Region Association: Northern California ![]() |
Make sure you don't overfill the boots with grease. Too much grease and the boots becomes brittle and is dead in about 100 miles.
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mrbubblehead |
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Twodollardoug ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,155 Joined: 17-December 10 From: calimesa ca. Member No.: 12,492 Region Association: Southern California ![]() |
Make sure you don't overfill the boots with grease. Too much grease and the boots becomes brittle and is dead in about 100 miles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I don't put any grease in boots. But I do fill up the drive flange. |
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