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> Single weber fix?, Has anyone tried to fix the fuel runner issue
CatDaddy60
post Feb 4 2013, 09:45 AM
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Ok I get it the fuel doesn't stay atomized in the runners and this causes poor fuel mileage, drivabillity concerns etc, I understand. But for those of us poor souls who for one reason or another are committed to this carb (the holley weber), has anyone tried heating the runners either electronically or with a subsequent exhaust runner ie type 1 vw and if so did it help with any of the concerns. my second question could anyone post a photo of what the throttle linkage should look like. i have a stock throttle cable and a cobbed together carb from a type 4 kit that has the carb turned 90 degrees and the cable wont reach the carb. any help will be appreciated.
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post Feb 4 2013, 10:45 AM
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Use the aluminum or paper gaskets between the heads and the intake runners to transmit as much heat as possible. If you use the plastic 'phenolic' spacers your intake runners will stay cooler.

Otherwise, just do your best to tune it until you can get something better.
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post Feb 4 2013, 11:11 AM
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I know of a guy who is creating a single weber IDF setup for the type 4 that pumps oil around the intake runners to keep them hot. The intake helps to act as an oil cooler, prevent percolation of fuel, and then injects the oil back into the rocker boxes.

This is whaat he claims at least.. I'm yet to see it in action.
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post Feb 4 2013, 12:00 PM
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Just understand that there is more than one reason why that setup isn't the best...

If you heat the manifold you can get it to run better, but you will still have issues with that sharp turn that the manifolds take at the heads.

I know you say you are stuck with it, but it's just not the right design for this motor.
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post Feb 4 2013, 12:05 PM
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Have you though of going to dual webber set up?

The distance traveled to the head is shorter so it should allow the suspended fuel less time to become "un-atomized". Also closer to a straight shot into the head.
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post Feb 4 2013, 02:19 PM
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I started with the Weber 38/38 synchronous with the stock runners that come with the kit. I have since had runners made at FAT performance that are 54% larger. I then added the intake top and re-tuned the engine on the dyno. Now getting around 121 hp and seeing 13.8 Air/Fuel ratio. I think the 38/38 is a better carb than the 32/36 progessive that was used in years past.

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post Feb 4 2013, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(LotusJoe @ Feb 4 2013, 03:19 PM) *

I started with the Weber 38/38 synchronous with the stock runners that come with the kit. I have since had runners made at FAT performance that are 54% larger. I then added the intake top and re-tuned the engine on the dyno. Now getting around 121 hp and seeing 13.8 Air/Fuel ratio. I think the 38/38 is a better carb than the 32/36 progessive that was used in years past.



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What are the specs on your engine to be able to pull 121 HP with the single 38/38?

Thanks.
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post Feb 4 2013, 05:54 PM
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post Feb 4 2013, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(CatDaddy60 @ Feb 4 2013, 07:45 AM) *



could anyone post a photo of what the throttle linkage should look like. i have a stock throttle cable and a cobbed together carb from a type 4 kit that has the carb turned 90 degrees and the cable wont reach the carb. any help will be appreciated.



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post Feb 4 2013, 07:31 PM
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Thank you for the photos, as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.
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post Feb 4 2013, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(CatDaddy60 @ Feb 4 2013, 05:31 PM) *

Thank you for the photos, as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

Is your carb a 32/36 progressive?
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post Feb 5 2013, 09:41 AM
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The carb have is a DGV32/36 5A with a manual choke. I'm in AZ so the choke isn't that big of a deal.


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post Feb 5 2013, 09:44 AM
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and the car it is going in


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post Feb 5 2013, 10:24 AM
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Give DJ at Don Jackson Enterprises a call (602.997.2785).
He's got a single carb on his daily driver 914, he might have some good suggestions.

Mike
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post Feb 5 2013, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(CatDaddy60 @ Feb 5 2013, 07:41 AM) *

The carb have is a DGV32/36 5A with a manual choke. I'm in AZ so the choke isn't that big of a deal.

The 38/38 has the linkage on the opposite side from the 32/36.
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post Aug 30 2014, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(Kirmizi @ Feb 5 2013, 09:24 AM) *

Give DJ at Don Jackson Enterprises a call (602.997.2785).
He's got a single carb on his daily driver 914, he might have some good suggestions.

Mike


Gave him a call and a visit and after some moves and a job change I'm working on the car again. Thank you for your assistance.
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post Aug 30 2014, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(struckn @ Feb 4 2013, 07:45 PM) *

QUOTE(CatDaddy60 @ Feb 4 2013, 07:45 AM) *



could anyone post a photo of what the throttle linkage should look like. i have a stock throttle cable and a cobbed together carb from a type 4 kit that has the carb turned 90 degrees and the cable wont reach the carb. any help will be appreciated.



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it works and it don't look bad
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post Sep 1 2014, 01:41 PM
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The runners are too long and the carb is too far away from the heat of the cylinder heads to keep the fuel from falling from suspension.

My experience with trying to make these rigs work better is about like putting lipstick on a pig.
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post Sep 1 2014, 10:29 PM
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why would anyone not want 2 carbs?
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