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| AE354803 |
Feb 24 2013, 11:29 AM
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Member ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 13-August 12 From: Southern California Member No.: 14,801 Region Association: Southern California |
Since this is my first major project on the 912, I figured I would make a project thread since I'll have lots of questions.
The back story: Car is a 67 912 with a 2.0 914 type IV, Weber 40 IDFs, bosch .050 dist installed. Transmission is original 912 with 914 gears 3,4,5 installed, newly rebuilt (synchros, selector forks, etc.) 73 911 front end suspension/brakes/steering, dual zone master cylinder, ER polybronze all around. I've been investigating a loud, clanking noise for the past few months. The noise happens regardless of engine/oil temperature or pressure. It is present below ~3000 rpm and then disappears entirely above 3000 rpm. When the noise is gone the engine sounds great. While this noise was present I have driven the car from San Diego to San Francisco and back, as well as San Bernardino and a few other trips, so I think I've put on approx. 2500 miles (it's been present and slowly getting worse (as best I remember) since I purchased the car (June 2012)). The noise has bugged me but I always figured since everything ran fine that maybe this is just characteristic of this engine. However I stopped driving the car a few months ago because the more I ruled out what it wasn't the more I worried about what it was and it's eventual catastrophic failure stranding me and destroying the engine. Seems to be coming from the center of the case. I've gone through the valve train and replaced a stripped stud, installed new adjusters and made sure everything was wearing and fitting properly (which it was). After this did not fix the issue I decided that before something destroys itself and everything around it I would remove and rebuild the 2.0 so that I wouldn't have to worry in the future. I wasn't using the car just because of the noise and the gut feeling that it was a time bomb. I suspect an issue with a main or rod bearing (possibly multiple) or excess piston slop, maybe a deteriorated piston skirt. The Project: 1. Remove and rebuild to mostly stock the 2.0 type 4. I have Weber 40 IDF's, GA 2.0 heads, WebCam Hydraulic+Carb grind w/ WebCam hydraulic lifters (turns out to be some ), Bosch .050 distributor (will most likely install Petronix or other electronic points) Turns out that I had low compression bus pistons, some unknown cam, the cam to cam gear mounting bolts were too long and machined the base and also half of the cam thrust bearing was missing. The crankshaft timing gear was no longer a press fit and could be removed by hand, the crankshaft itself had material missing due to the slop. 2. Rebuild specifics: New (used) stock oil pump Rebuild heads [new SS exhaust valves, guides and retainers, heads cut to accept new cylinders without gaskets] new gaskets/bearings/rings throughout, EMW 96 mm cylinders and KB 96 mm pistons new reground crankshaft and gearstack, 494 webcam and mechanical lifters w/ double thrust bearings and new cam gear Petronix electronic points and rebuild dist. Static balanced rods (0.1 grams) pistons (1 gram) New Sachs pressure plate New motor mounts and heavier mount bar to frame mounts (1/4" steel plate) Install engine to exhaust header flange supports (engine did not have them) CB Performance rotary fuel pump Cut to length pushrods and solid rocker arm spacers 3. Have a set of EMW bus headers that I will add heating tins to and install with a new header and muffler. Not until after the engine is back in and running. 4. Fix small issues found along the way (so far fix bumper mounting alignment and rear engine bar mounts need to have a steel tube installed w/ bolt through to remove play and prevent further wear.) This is my list for now, I am expecting it to grow, thanks in advance for any help. Andy |
AE354803 2.0 stock(ish) rebuild Feb 24 2013, 11:29 AM
brant 8.5 or 9.0
its really hard to run pump gas at anyt... May 21 2013, 01:14 PM
Vacca Rabite I have run that exact engine combo.
I built mine ... May 21 2013, 05:53 PM
AE354803
I have run that exact engine combo.
I built mine... May 21 2013, 09:58 PM
Valy When you match everything up, try keeping the lowe... May 22 2013, 03:07 PM
AE354803
When you match everything up, try keeping the low... Jun 4 2013, 09:50 AM
stugray Just out of curiosity: What did you gap the rings ... Jun 4 2013, 10:49 AM
AE354803 They are KB hypereutectic, I gapped top ring to 0.... Jun 4 2013, 03:41 PM
stugray When I received my KB HE pistons, there was a note... Jun 4 2013, 03:52 PM
AE354803 Pistons and cylinders were from EMW.
The KB web... Jun 4 2013, 04:13 PM
AE354803 I noticed again while looking at the KB install do... Jun 4 2013, 04:24 PM
yeahmag Get your DH at or below .040". You are waisti... Jun 4 2013, 05:02 PM
AE354803
Get your DH at or below .040". You are waist... Jun 4 2013, 05:14 PM
stugray
Whoa... I didnt even catch that!
Yeah, I was... Jun 4 2013, 06:53 PM
yeahmag No cylinder spacers is no problem. Shaving the hea... Jun 4 2013, 06:55 PM
AE354803 I have the 0.0085" spacers in right now, or t... Jun 4 2013, 09:02 PM
AE354803 I was doing a quick lapping of the cylinders to th... Jun 7 2013, 08:40 PM
AE354803 I'm just thinking of ways to fix this, the gap... Jun 8 2013, 02:43 PM
stugray When I had my heads cut down by .025, the machinis... Jun 8 2013, 02:53 PM
AE354803 Heads are all cut down, pistons and rings are in t... Jun 28 2013, 09:16 AM
rhodyguy imho, if your carbs worked well prior to the tear ... Jun 28 2013, 11:10 AM
stugray One thing I forgot to do:
Before you put the push... Jun 28 2013, 12:10 PM
AE354803 I don't know how applicable it would be to my ... Jun 28 2013, 12:57 PM
stugray As long as the two sides are not WAY out of synch,... Jun 28 2013, 05:20 PM
AE354803 So everything went well, longblock is assembled, m... Jun 28 2013, 11:46 PM
AE354803 I'm going to install a set of time-serts, M6-1... Jun 30 2013, 12:17 PM
AE354803 Time-serts went in great, pricey but by far the be... Jul 7 2013, 01:09 PM
Black22 Wouldn't it make the markings on you fan worth... Jul 7 2013, 04:04 PM
AE354803 I don't believe so, I'll be swapping the w... Jul 7 2013, 04:33 PM
stugray Yes you can re-clock the distributor within reason... Jul 7 2013, 04:48 PM
AE354803 The engine is reassembled for the most part and ma... Jul 16 2013, 06:14 PM
AE354803 Needed to make some mounts for the exhaust manifol... Jul 16 2013, 07:44 PM
AE354803 Gumby's started back up, did a 20 minute cam b... Jul 26 2013, 10:07 PM
AE354803 Rebuilt the first carb tonight, not too bad. Glad... Aug 5 2013, 11:34 PM
rhodyguy that startup sounded real nice! no noisy bits ... Aug 6 2013, 11:29 AM
AE354803 I'm just using carb cleaner, they are in prett... Aug 6 2013, 12:48 PM
Steve Pratel Interested to see how things worked out. I'm a... Mar 5 2014, 10:59 AM
AE354803
Interested to see how things worked out. I'm ... Mar 5 2014, 02:27 PM![]() ![]() |
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