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> offset versus scrub radius
r_towle
post May 23 2013, 12:41 PM
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Does it make a difference what the offset is on a wheel with regards to scrub radius?

It does not seem that it would, given the stock suspension, no custom struts etc.

Aside from that, what is the reason (aside from cost and availability) for using large spacers versus getting wheels that mount up with no spacer, yet are wide for flared cars?

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post May 27 2013, 02:10 PM
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Slight hijack, but since we're talking scrub raduis I though it might be best to ask here while everyone is still motivated :-) On my LS1 conversion car, I'm running 205-50-17 fronts with about 1/4" - 5/16" scrub; I think, if memory serves me correctly, I have 4 degrees caster. Since, IMO, my car steers like a dang truck, will taking out that scrub radius and going to zero have any significant effect on steering effort?

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post May 31 2013, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(andys @ May 27 2013, 12:10 PM) *
...will taking out that scrub radius and going to zero have any significant effect on steering effort?

Speaking from understanding and not actual experience so apply the appropriate amount of salt here, back in the 70s car mfrs put zero scrub into some large, land yacht car designs and the feedback was there was no feedback - the car was completely neutral at the steering wheel and therefore people would be wandering around the lane trying to keep the car moving straight. So, it is my understanding you do not want zero scrub, but a little offset inboard on a car like ours and the images JP attached above. Some modern cars have the offset outboard of the wheel centerline but I have heard that is not best for old tech vehicles and may have had something to do with working well with ABS but don't quote me on that. And again, no experience with that type of scrub.

Scrub is not a bad thing when, like all things, it is used in moderation. One of the main things scrub will do is heat the tires up, so on circle track cars, we used to futz with the scrub both left and right (we would run two different scrub amounts since we only turned left) at each and every track to get the tire temps to be optimal. Too much scrub will just cook tires and build your forearms into an impressive, Popeye-like shape (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Too little was also not optimal. I am trying to recall if we ever were able to get to zero scrub, been a long time now, but I don't think so, I think it was always some "positive" (inboard) amount.
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r_towle   offset versus scrub radius   May 23 2013, 12:41 PM
Matt Romanowski   Does it make a difference what the offset is on a...   May 23 2013, 03:01 PM
r_towle   Still confused, sorry. Just wondering if a wheel b...   May 23 2013, 08:26 PM
J P Stein   The following sketch does not represent all of the...   May 24 2013, 07:32 AM
Randal   The following sketch does not represent all of th...   May 24 2013, 04:53 PM
Matt Romanowski   The following sketch does not represent all of th...   May 25 2013, 09:55 AM
J P Stein   That diagram has nothing to do with camber. The g...   May 26 2013, 07:09 AM
Matt Romanowski   [quote name='Matt Romanowski' post='1869513' date...   May 26 2013, 07:40 AM
r_towle   Seems to me, given my original quest, that anythin...   May 24 2013, 08:27 AM
J P Stein   One is limited by the 914s front suspension. The m...   May 24 2013, 09:14 AM
andys   And increased scrub radius creates a cross jacking...   May 24 2013, 09:25 AM
zig-n-zag   In an effort to eliminate front spacers, I found s...   May 24 2013, 02:03 PM
SirAndy   In an effort to eliminate front spacers, I found s...   May 24 2013, 02:52 PM
tomeric914   Whatever you use, make sure your front wheels are...   Jun 22 2013, 08:04 PM
r_towle   Lots of great knowledge. Seems that my initial que...   May 24 2013, 03:55 PM
J P Stein   For anyone that has the chance........ Take a look...   May 25 2013, 05:47 AM
Randal   For anyone that has the chance........ Take a loo...   May 25 2013, 12:04 PM
J P Stein   Going to dial in a bit more front bar for the Cas...   May 26 2013, 07:20 AM
Randal   Going to dial in a bit more front bar for the Ca...   May 27 2013, 03:47 PM
andys   Slight hijack, but since we're talking scrub r...   May 27 2013, 02:10 PM
byndbad914   ...will taking out that scrub radius and going to ...   May 31 2013, 04:55 PM
stownsen914   I believe all car suspensions have some scrub radi...   Jun 15 2013, 04:09 AM
andys   You know, I have to appologize for throwing out so...   May 27 2013, 04:06 PM
J P Stein   Let's keep it simple. A certain amount of Scru...   Jun 23 2013, 07:19 AM


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