914 at UK Boxster launch, Beautifully restored /6 |
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914 at UK Boxster launch, Beautifully restored /6 |
davep |
Nov 30 2004, 10:11 AM
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QUOTE(Gustl B @ Nov 30 2004, 04:29 AM) But, did anybody recognize that the car has got a wrong rear bumper? 9140430059 is a very interesting car. A non-original bumper is the least of its worries. Some Brit, member of the UK Porsche Club, totalled the car very early on. So it got a replacement body. |
Gustl |
Nov 30 2004, 10:27 AM
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914 enthusiast & historian Group: Members Posts: 11,503 Joined: 16-June 04 From: TIROL / Austria Member No.: 2,212 Region Association: Austria |
QUOTE(davep @ Nov 30 2004, 05:11 PM) 9140430059 is a very interesting car. Have you got more interesting details about this car? |
richardL |
Nov 30 2004, 10:48 AM
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Gustl,
PM sent Richard |
richardL |
Nov 30 2004, 12:27 PM
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I believe the totalling was actually done by a journalist doing a road test for 'Car' magazine. All the damage was at the front (hit a telegraph pole).
I just spoke to Dave and he says that even if the bumper is different from other '70s, thats the one it originally came with. If you look at the picture in the road test below, you can see the 'PC' and 'GB' badges either side of the number plate (which doesn't have a gap between the DGU and the 914 in order to accomodate those badges). Although the car now has the new style license plate which is wider, that bumper still has the holes that were drilled to mount the PCGB badges. If you look at a variety of other pictures, especially the hidef versions, you can see the bumper is the same. Often its confusing becuase of the reflections (look at the pictures from CCC magazine for instance above a black top). On another note, Dave is trying to get a good valuation for insurance purposes. Its easy to figure a replacement value (cost of a nice 914/6 plus all the work that went into it), but he also needs a 'commercial' value - what could he sell this car for. He figures its at least $25K, but probably not $50K - since there are very few cars that are in this good condition, along with an interesting history, where would you think that value would fall - $30K? $40K etc. Attached thumbnail(s) |
Jeroen |
Nov 30 2004, 10:32 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
No expense/effort saved resto's like Dave's are very very very rare.
€20K to €25K will buy you a six. A decent driver, prolly repainted, but nothing near as nice as Dave's Add the history of the car and I think €50K would be the least value to insure it for. I wonder if that would even cover the expenses he made for it. I know of a 914 club member here in the Netherlands that did a very good thorough resto on a /4 He had €30K into the car and did pretty much ALL the work himself. And that was more than 5 years ago |
richardL |
Dec 1 2004, 10:56 AM
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The easy price is how to recreate it - buy a nice /6 and spend mucho bucks to get it really really nice - he has that cost figured out.
He also needs a value for what that particular car would sell for. There are very few comparable vehicles with that nice a finish and an interesting history, old magazine pictures, the fact it was driven by Jo Siffert and Graham Hill etc. The way it works - if the car is damaged, they use the 'recreation' price to decide whether to repair or total etc. If its stolen you get the commercial sale price - so you want it high but not unrealistic, so the insurance company doesn't start bickering about the amount. By the Way, Gustl, that was a nice analysis you sent us - it seems fairly convincing. It will be interesting to see if the Porsche guys can add anything. Richard |
Gustl |
Dec 1 2004, 11:24 AM
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Thanks Richard
I've just found more pics from this car in a well known book: Attached image(s) |
Gustl |
Dec 1 2004, 11:25 AM
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Gustl |
Dec 1 2004, 11:26 AM
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Gustl |
Dec 1 2004, 11:27 AM
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Jeroen |
Dec 1 2004, 01:28 PM
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The car is also shown in Brett Johnson's "The 914 & 914/6 Porsche"
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Gustl |
Dec 1 2004, 01:43 PM
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I've found his name, but not the car ... (IMG:http://www.pff-online.de/wbb2/images/smilies/confused.gif)(IMG:http://www.pff-online.de/wbb2/images/smilies/confused.gif)(IMG:http://www.pff-online.de/wbb2/images/smilies/confused.gif)
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richardL |
Dec 1 2004, 02:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 713 Joined: 27-January 03 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 201 Region Association: None |
Just FYI, the car on the cover is not Dave's
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Maltese Falcon |
Dec 1 2004, 10:36 PM
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According to some archived info on hand, RHD conversions were available thru:
Crayford Auto Development Ltd. High Street, Westerham, Kent, England Tel# Westerham 3087 Cost of the RHD conversion in 1970 was 630 (Sterling) I wonder if the place is still there...or if it turned into a Starbucks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
richardL |
Dec 2 2004, 10:25 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 713 Joined: 27-January 03 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 201 Region Association: None |
Small world...
When I was a kid in the early 70s (yes, I can remember that far back) we had family friends who lived in Westerham and we would go there fairly often. Very nice as I recall - I never noticed a car place though. Interestingly, the family friend went to school with John Cooper (aka Cooper F1, as in Mini Cooper etc.) He had some good stories. Richard |
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