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> HANS Device, Who's using one?
carr914
post Dec 1 2004, 09:28 AM
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How about a group buy?
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post Dec 1 2004, 11:24 AM
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There is NOTHING on the market that compares to the HANS. There have been several studies using sleds and they have ALL proved that the HANS is the only one that worked. NASCAR did a small clip testing the HANS vs. the Hutchinson, what it, you will not buy the Hutchinson after doing so.

If you have any fitment problems with the HANS, call them or Joe Marko at HMS. Almost all fitment/belt sliding issues are due to your belts not being properly installed.

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post Dec 1 2004, 11:40 AM
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I would be happy to answer any questions any one has about using the HANS® device by phone or e mail. We just received SFI approval and are the only head & neck restraint to date to have passed all the SFI's testing The Issac seems like a good idea in theory but a) has to disconnected from the belts or helmet before exiting the car (difficult if driver is not coherent) and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) has steel rods that are in a dangerous position in relation to the head. I can provide any of the members with independent third party test data and product comparrisons with some of the other devices on the market. The standard model sells for $865 and comes with helmet anchors, tethers and padding, everything you need to go racing. The only time we see problems with the belts "slipping off" is because of incorrect shoulder harness mpunting (belts mounted too far apart behind the driver. The HANS® is the only device used in F1, Champ Car, IRL. Next year NASCAR will most likely mandate SFI 38.1 head & neck restraints and unless someone else comes up with a device that can meet these specs, the HANS® will be the only head & neck restraint used in all professional NASCAR classes.

Jay Braxton
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5096 Peachtree Road
Atlanta, GA 30341

Tel:770-457-1046
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Email: jbraxton@hansdevice.com
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post Dec 1 2004, 12:06 PM
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post Dec 1 2004, 12:18 PM
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Hi Jay,

Thanks for participating on the site....it's great when someone who makes the products chimes in.

One question I have is that on the HANS site (hansdevice.com), you mention 3 inch shoulder belts are fine. When I read the Schroth site about their belts used with a HANS, they recommend a 2 inch shoulder belt and infer that several organizations (FIA, CART, and soon to be NASCAR) have changed rules to allow 2 inch shoulder belts.

Is this a valid statement?

I've already contacted our local PCA racing organization to get their take on it as Porsche Club America mandates 3 inch belts in our region. My wife is much smaller than I am, and since we share a car we will need 2 HANS devices to provide the proper fit. But the 3 inch belts cover most of her shoulder area, so I can see why a 2 inch belt may work better to locate the device on a smaller person.

Please share your thoughts.

Thanks!

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post Dec 1 2004, 12:23 PM
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i thought pca changed the rules this year to allow 2" belts.
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post Dec 1 2004, 01:15 PM
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Jay, can you give us some details on the mounting of the shoulderbelts (to prevent them from slipping)
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post Dec 2 2004, 09:05 AM
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Regarding the Schroth belts: All of our testing has been done with 3" belts. We have always recomended 3", however, I have attended several events where competitors were using the Schroth 2' to 3" "HANS® specific" belts and they seem to work fine. Schroth is our distributor in Europe and a fine company, but they developed the belt on their own so we neither endorse it or condem it. Regarding shoulder harness mounting: There are specific guidelines on our website, but the basic rule to follow is 1" - 2" below shoulder height and as close together as possible (no more than 3" apart inside edge to inside edge). The closer together at the mounting point the better. The model 20 (20 degree seat recline) is the model most appropriate for a 914, or any sedan type car. The model 30 is designed for a more reclined position (Formula Atlantic, F1, etc). Hope this information helps.

Jay Braxton
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5096 Peachtree Road
Atlanta, GA 30341

Tel:770-457-1046
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post Dec 2 2004, 10:51 AM
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Hi Jay,

Thanks for the information. We appreciate it.

Education is a great way to sell the product.

Now....to measure my wife's neck.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Dec 2 2004, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(nine14cats @ Dec 2 2004, 06:51 PM)
Thanks for the information. We appreciate it.
Education is a great way to sell the product.

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post Dec 5 2004, 08:18 PM
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Jay, Were you at the Skip Barber Race this weekend? I picked up a pamplet and 1 of your cards. I would have liked to picked your brain a little.
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