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European buying & driving a car in the US |
Jeroen |
Jul 25 2013, 08:49 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Question for a friend of mine... (yes, really)
He's planning to buy a 914 in the US, drive it there for 2 weeks and then ship it home to Europe Can he, as a foreigner, just register the car and insure it for the duration of his stay? Or is that gonna be a red tape nightmare? |
Mike Bellis |
Jul 25 2013, 11:16 AM
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Resident Electrician Group: Members Posts: 8,345 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Midlothian TX Member No.: 10,496 Region Association: None |
Question for a friend of mine... (yes, really) He's planning to buy a 914 in the US, drive it there for 2 weeks and then ship it home to Europe Can he, as a foreigner, just register the car and insure it for the duration of his stay? Or is that gonna be a red tape nightmare? Without having an address, it is difficult to register. Some states can issues a title on the spot. In California (Land of 914's), the title arrives in 10-14 days to your mailing address. You might be able to use a hotel address and room number, but I'm not sure. If you have a friend here and can use his/her address it is much easier. |
bandjoey |
Jul 25 2013, 12:34 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
And the tax issue. You'll pay 6-9% sales tax. Check with Your version of ADAC ( AAA here ). They might help.
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monkeyboy |
Jul 25 2013, 02:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 808 Joined: 8-June 08 From: Los Angeles, Ca Member No.: 9,147 Region Association: None |
I would never condone bending the rules, but for a two week stay I would just drive the car without doing anything.
Just don't get pulled over and you will likely never be noticed. |
McMark |
Jul 25 2013, 02:35 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
If you/they get pulled over, just be {mostly} honest. "Office I just bought this car and am test driving it before I ship it back to Europe." Otherwise there shouldn't be an issue. Make sure all the lights work. Don't give them a reason to pull you/him/her over.
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Spoke |
Jul 25 2013, 05:54 PM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None |
Registration and insurance are two different entities.
Without a registration you may get in trouble with the state and fined. Without insurance, you can get in huge financial and perhaps legal trouble if something bad happens. For sure get some insurance coverage. I bought my 911 in Colorado. I had insurance through Haggerty and just drove the car for 2 days with my buddy's license plate. Got the Colorado title registered in PA when the car got home. |
toolguy |
Jul 25 2013, 06:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,268 Joined: 2-April 11 From: San Diego / El Cajon Member No.: 12,889 Region Association: Southern California |
best deal is to 'borrow' the car from the current owner for the 2 weeks, be on his insurance and ownership, and have the sale date at the end of the visit. .
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rick 918-S |
Jul 25 2013, 06:23 PM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,460 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region |
With regard to insurance. In Minnesota when you purchase a car and have another policy on another vehicle, lets say you live in the state, drive a Bimmer and purchase a 914. Your policy will cover you up to 30 days on the new purchase. So, if I purchased a vehicle in California and took two weeks to drive home I would have insurance because I insured the Bimmer.
I wouldn't transfer the car until I got home from California. I wouldn't transfer it in Cali and then transfer it again in MN. So your friend would likely not transfer the vehicle until he got it back home to the Netherlands. There would be no taxes paid on the way out of the country. His only issue would be getting insurance here in the US until he gets it home. I checked with Hagerty. They could get me a policy on my 914 in another country if I decided ship it out of the country. |
914_teener |
Jul 25 2013, 07:32 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,198 Joined: 31-August 08 From: So. Cal Member No.: 9,489 Region Association: Southern California |
best deal is to 'borrow' the car from the current owner for the 2 weeks, be on his insurance and ownership, and have the sale date at the end of the visit. . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) |
hot_shoe914 |
Jul 25 2013, 08:03 PM
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on ramp passer Group: Members Posts: 3,802 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Earle, Ar. Member No.: 8,354 Region Association: None |
Buy Betsy and you can run on my tags and insurance until you ship her home!
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draganc |
Jul 26 2013, 09:30 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
your questions is too general (where is he going to buy the car and where will he drive) to get a 100% correct answer, which you shouldn't take from a internet forum anyway.
here is what i did about 18 yrs ago, without any legal advice nor liability: bought the car in CA, which had about a year registration left and got my private insurance issued by http://www.tourinsure.de you should check their webpage and talk to the dutch AAA, they might be able to give you some more information. google "bill of sale" for the state where he intends to buy the car. once your friend found the car, i would send him to a UPS/FedEx store WITH the seller and have the "bill of sale" notarized. he should not pay any money w/o the title in hand and have all VIN double checked. i don't think you will be able to export the car w/o a title. i think only possible if you have a notarized bill-of-sale from a dealer. after this is done, pay the seller the money. if the car has some registration left and your friend has a US valid insurance he "should" be OK. i don't think that any sane seller would let a complete stranger drive under his/her policy. why would you risk for your insurance the increase if someone else crashes your old car. also, the seller could cancel his insurance the next day and your friend would be screed. d |
Luke M |
Jul 27 2013, 08:25 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,372 Joined: 8-February 05 From: WNY Member No.: 3,574 Region Association: North East States |
If you/they get pulled over, just be {mostly} honest. "Office I just bought this car and am test driving it before I ship it back to Europe." Otherwise there shouldn't be an issue. Make sure all the lights work. Don't give them a reason to pull you/him/her over. I'm not saying this is a good idea but I can tell you that it wont work unless you get a cop that owns a 914. In which case he pulled you over to check out the car anyway..(some cops will cut you a break but most wont) If you get stopped it gets all time stamped/recorded. If you're let go with a warning and you drive away that cop is now liable (civil/violating dept policy) if you where to get into a accident. The worst outcome would be: No reg, no insc. = several tickets and the car will be towed/held until you get the insc/reg taken care of or have it towed out of the impound lot. All said could cost you around $600-800 . With that said be safe then sorry and see if the p/o will keep the car reg/insc while you are here. You may have to work something out with the p/o prior to taking the car. That would be in case something happens to the car while it's in your possession (mva or what not). I know that you can get a temp reg for the car if you where transporting it from state to state but you would still need insurance coverage to get that. |
draganc |
Jul 27 2013, 05:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
I don't think foreigners w/o a US license can register a car in the US - at least not in NJ. It was possible back in the days, in CA.
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PanelBilly |
Jul 27 2013, 06:07 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 23-July 06 From: Kent, Wa Member No.: 6,488 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
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Maltese Falcon |
Jul 27 2013, 06:36 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 4,645 Joined: 14-September 04 From: Mulholland SoCal Member No.: 2,755 Region Association: None |
Jeroen, never put another plate on another car.
This constitutes GTA grand theft auto, and the license plate is the first thing (of several) that law enforcement will check upon pulling you over for a burned out tail light, or 3 mph over the speed limit.You may never see the car again, and you will need an attorney ....just not worth it. If you are friends with a dealer, he may let you cruise around with his DEALER plate, which you will need to return to him. Check with your Europe based insurer, ask them what your overseas options are. Marty |
57lincolnman |
Jul 27 2013, 08:03 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 14-September 10 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 12,175 Region Association: Southern California |
If your buyer is shipping the car back to the Netherlands, let him work with his forwarding agent to sort out the issues. He may have to post a bond. They can help him sort that out. Once you sign over the title to complete the sale, you will no longer have any obligations. A domestic classic car insurer will require proof of a US address and a valid US driver's license. I shipped my 914 to Belgium last year for a one month tour and club rally. ($2k one way). My situation was different because my car was considered in transit since I was bringing back to the US. I traveled all over Europe on a Georgia plate. Hagerty provided the insurance which was very expensive. I had to prove that I was attending a registered event. Can't get insurance to just "tour".
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r3dplanet |
Jul 27 2013, 09:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 679 Joined: 3-September 05 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 4,741 Region Association: None |
Is it possible just to get a temporary trip permit? In Oregon one can get one at any DMV. It's designed to allow you to legally drive the car whilst one takes care of other paperwork. Of course, your state may vary.
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rhodyguy |
Jul 28 2013, 07:13 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,080 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
unsure about other states but in washington the no insurance will net you a ticket to the tune of about $500, perhaps more. not to mention the other hassles. your friend just needs to do his homework. if we know where he intends to cruise during his stay the locals can prob give specifics.
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Jeroen |
Jul 28 2013, 09:59 AM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,887 Joined: 24-December 02 From: The Netherlands Member No.: 3 Region Association: Europe |
Thanks for all the input!
Got some good info, links and pointers He's planning to drive the car (on an organised event) from New York City to Miami. |
draganc |
Jul 28 2013, 12:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 2-November 09 From: central new jersey Member No.: 11,000 Region Association: North East States |
The NY mva can/will issue temp tags. I don't know if also for foreigners but perhaps the sell can get the tags for the buyer.
http://dmv.ny.gov/register.htm#temporary |
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