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> Blown Oil Filter, Really Blown.....WTF
martinef1963
post Oct 23 2013, 06:25 PM
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I got a new Redtop today and really was excited about getting the car - at least started.

I raised the car on one side and rotated the wheel to prime the oil system in the car before I attempted to turn an engine that has not been ran since July 2007.

It started to turn and I primed the carbs with some gas and it started, but within 5 seconds the oil filter popped and drained all the oil on the garage door. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)

Can someone please educate me as to how the oil filter blew from the seam? When the external oil filter was installed is there a certain in / out manner in which the hoses are placed to the external oil filter housing or am I just chasing the rabbit down the hole here?

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post Oct 23 2013, 06:35 PM
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There is an in out on the filter adapter for that style of take off.
And don't use Fran. Not a good filter
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post Oct 23 2013, 06:37 PM
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Simple really; it blew because it is a POS Fram. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 23 2013, 06:41 PM
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QUOTE(brant @ Oct 23 2013, 05:35 PM) *

There is an in out on the filter adapter for that style of take off.
And don't use Fran. Not a good filter


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post Oct 23 2013, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(brant @ Oct 24 2013, 06:05 AM) *

There is an in out on the filter adapter for that style of take off.
And don't use Fran. Not a good filter


Okay - how do I determine which is the in out from the engine or does that matter?

Understand there is an in / out on the external oil filter housing and I need to ensure that I match the out flow hose from the engine to the oil filter housing.

The only question now is why / how does it blow? If what you are eluding to is that because it was backwards how can the oil pressure make the filter blow at the seam?

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post Oct 23 2013, 06:47 PM
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How many more answers do you need?
Don't let the capt'n. See this thread.
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post Oct 23 2013, 07:06 PM
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This is the first actual picture of a failed Fram filter I have ever seen.

I always here 'they're bad', but never any reason why.

How is the company still in business if all they sell is junk?


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post Oct 23 2013, 07:07 PM
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QUOTE(914itis @ Oct 23 2013, 05:47 PM) *

How many more answers do you need?
Don't let the capt'n. See this thread.

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post Oct 23 2013, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE(914itis @ Oct 23 2013, 05:47 PM) *

How many more answers do you need?
Don't let the capt'n. See this thread.

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I am sorry that was no help. Seriously the seam is where it will be weakest, right? Sounds like the system is/was plugged somewhere or something is backwards. Double check with the manufacturer that you have all the hoses plumbed in the right direction. Also, not kidding here, don't use another Fram filter. PM me your shipping address and I will ship you a Mahle filter for free. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Oct 23 2013, 07:19 PM
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If the oil filter is plumbed backward it will pop this seam.. Ensure the flow is in the proper direction.

Also:
Fram sucks.
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post Oct 23 2013, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(Trekkor @ Oct 23 2013, 06:06 PM) *

This is the first actual picture of a failed Fram filter I have ever seen.

I always here 'they're bad', but never any reason why.

How is the company still in business if all they sell is junk?


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The reason why has been documented so many times and is so easy to find it's usually not referenced. But here ya go. The quick version Fram PH8A has 193 sq. in. of filter material, WIX has 349. A quick Google search will get you plenty more such comparisons.

And how are they still in business? That's obvious. It's advertising, plain and simple. Oh and they're the cheapest. Most people shop by price, not quality.
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post Oct 23 2013, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE(914itis @ Oct 24 2013, 06:17 AM) *

How many more answers do you need?
Don't let the capt'n. See this thread.


Please don't take this the wrong way. I now understand there is an in / out - right way of doing it.

If I am asking it is because I want to know, I could care less who reads my post (no disrespect to the capt'n). Everyone on the site has a right to read, respond or ignore.

If it bothers you that I am inquisitive - ignore my post. I just don't understand why it blew, regardless of weather the hoses were put on backwards. I would have thought that the oil would not flow into the filter - if the hoses were on backwards???

I visit the site to gain knowledge from those that know more than I know in the area of 914's - nothing more.

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post Oct 23 2013, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(martinef1963 @ Oct 23 2013, 06:50 PM) *

QUOTE(914itis @ Oct 24 2013, 06:17 AM) *

How many more answers do you need?
Don't let the capt'n. See this thread.


Please don't take this the wrong way. I now understand there is an in / out - right way of doing it.

If I am asking it is because I want to know, I could care less who reads my post (no disrespect to the capt'n). Everyone on the site has a right to read, respond or ignore.

If it bothers you that I am inquisitive - ignore my post. I just don't understand why it blew, regardless of weather the hoses were put on backwards. I would have thought that the oil would not flow into the filter - if the hoses were on backwards???

I visit the site to gain knowledge from those that know more than I know in the area of 914's - nothing more.

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Oil normally flows into the filter through the multiple holes near the outer edge of the filter. The rubber flap is pushed down by the pressure of flowing in. If the hoses are reversed the oil goes in through the center hole and can not flow out of the filter as it is pushing the rubber anti drain back flap against the top of the filter. Hope that helps you understand why that happened.
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In answers to your question:

- It happened at least in part because you used the Cheap Crappy Orange Filter
- You may have also swapped the inlet and outlet hoses, if you installed a remote filter mount
- It fails along the seam because that is a weak point

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post Oct 23 2013, 11:35 PM
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What I am hearing is that with the oil system improperly plumbed, ANY filter would fail?

Does a Fram not properly filter oil for 3,000 miles?

I use Mahle, but I've heard this bias against Fram for so long, I'd like to know a little more.

So if the surface area is smaller than others, does it allow dirt/particles to contaminate the oil?


Just curious?


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post Oct 24 2013, 06:22 AM
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QUOTE(Trekkor @ Oct 24 2013, 01:35 AM) *

What I am hearing is that with the oil system improperly plumbed, ANY filter would fail?

Does a Fram not properly filter oil for 3,000 miles?

I use Mahle, but I've heard this bias against Fram for so long, I'd like to know a little more.

So if the surface area is smaller than others, does it allow dirt/particles to contaminate the oil?


Just curious?


KT


Yes, reversing the oil flow would cause any filter (that I am aware of) to fail.
...and yes, the smaller amount of filtration material means that fewer contaminants are removed from the oil flow resulting in increased engine wear (and heat).

Basically, Fram filters support the cliche that "You get what you pay for."
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Can you post a pic of the inside of the filter, please?

I'd like to see the filter media.
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I used to use Fram until one day I looked at the metal screw on portion. That section had metal shavings on the threads! Their QC sucks!
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Smaller surface area will get clogged sooner with dirty oil.

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