 Oil Availability Rant...., Urgh |
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| r_towle |
 Jan 26 2014, 06:32 PM
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Custom Member  Group: Members Posts: 24,705 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States 
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Rotella diesel oil
Shell product, easy to find Fills the need with additives. |
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| OU8AVW |
Jan 26 2014, 08:25 PM
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Yacht Rigger Group: Members Posts: 1,803 Joined: 1-October 08 From: Granbury, TX Member No.: 9,601 Region Association: Southwest Region |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Jan 26 2014, 04:32 PM)  Rotella diesel oil Shell product, easy to find Fills the need with additives. Really? We sell this stuff by the gallon at my marina.... |
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| r_towle |
Jan 26 2014, 08:44 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,705 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(OU8AVW @ Jan 26 2014, 09:25 PM) QUOTE(r_towle @ Jan 26 2014, 04:32 PM) Rotella diesel oil Shell product, easy to find Fills the need with additives. Really? We sell this stuff by the gallon at my marina.... Yup... I can't remember the exact version, but I have a case in my front trunk of the 911. Read the labels or search pelican.... Works fine, and you can get it just about anywhere...so that is why I went with it. Rich |
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| r_towle |
Jan 26 2014, 08:54 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,705 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Rotella triple protection.
Used in both my 911 and all my type 4 motors, plenty of zinc. Cj4 is the thing to look for on the oil. I believe brad penn, BP, she'll, vR1, and amsoil all have oil that does the job. again, I happen to like oil that I can actually find when I need it, and it don't have to order it. I do buy a case, or a few of the one gallon containers, just cause I am lazy.... My issue is I never have oil ready when I really need it...so I shopped around for an oil I could use, buy, and find... |
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 26 2014, 08:55 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
QUOTE(r_towle @ Jan 26 2014, 04:32 PM) Rotella diesel oil Shell product, easy to find Fills the need with additives. Totally disagree on the anti-wear package. If we were talking pre 2011 I'd be more in agreement. An HTHS and UOA shows it very clearly and Visc has also changed. Rotella used to be the lazy way to success, but its not that easy anymore. Nothing with oil ever stays the same, except everything constantly changes. Even Brad Penn changed in 2010, when they did that and didn't alert those working closely with them it pissed me off enough to walk away. |
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| r_towle |
Jan 26 2014, 09:02 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,705 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Shell is marketing their new CJ-4/SM oil as "Triple Protection," meaning it provides enhanced qualities for engine wear, soot control and engine cleanliness. Shell's Rotella website indicates that on-road testing confirms the new Triple Protection technology produces better anti-wear characteristics than their existing CI-4+ rated Rotella oil. This is achieved despite a lower zinc and phosphorus additive level as called for by the API CJ-4 specification. (The 15W-40 Rotella T with Triple Protection oil has approximately 1200 ppm of zinc and 1100 ppm phosphorus at the time of manufacture.)
Quoted from online. |
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 26 2014, 09:37 PM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Key Word:
Marketing Believe nothing of what you hear and 1/2 of what you see. The product should be assumed guilty until proven innocent within the confines of the engine that interests you. They all respond differently. This post has been edited by Jake Raby: Jan 26 2014, 09:38 PM |
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| Woody |
Jan 26 2014, 09:55 PM
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Sandbox Rabblerouser and head toilet scrubber Group: Members Posts: 3,858 Joined: 28-December 10 From: San Antonio Texas Member No.: 12,530 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Oohh an oil thread. Yay! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif)
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| r_towle |
Jan 26 2014, 10:04 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,705 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Jan 26 2014, 10:37 PM) Key Word: marketing positively promoting your product or service, all while not spending time on negativity and bashing is the KEY to marketing. |
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| Jake Raby |
Jan 27 2014, 07:08 AM
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Engine Surgeon Group: Members Posts: 9,398 Joined: 31-August 03 From: Lost Member No.: 1,095 Region Association: South East States |
Diesel engines actually have different wear mechanisms than gasoline engines. For example, soot control is much much more important and diesel engine than a gasoline engine. In a diesel engine, soot particles can create more wear than anything else. Accordingly the best way to reduce where in a diesel engine is through such control, which means more dispersant additives.
High-speed gasoline engines do not suffer from soot related wear. The point here is that just because an oil is better for wear in a diesel engine, does not mean it is better for wear in high-speed gasoline engine applications. Different engines. Different mode of wear, and different lubricant chemistry. Fact is it took Diesel oils longer to be impacted by lubricant changes than gasoline oils, but once it hit them they became even more compromised. My Duramax Diesel has 180K miles on it and makes 505 RWHP on my chassis dyno (spinning tires) and is filled with Joe Gibbs DP40 Turbo Diesel oil. That said, I don't sell a single product outside of a complete engine anymore, that includes oil. Thank goodness! It really doesn't matter to me which oil is used and I would not have even posted if this thread hadn't been sent to me by the owner of one of my engines that saw it. He then wanted to run Rotella, even though it specifically states in my 80 page engine manual NOT to use this oil. Hell, Maybe we should all be using Mil-L-23699 Turbine Engine oil? If its so cool to use a lubricant thats designed for a completely different application, might as well go straight to Jet engine oil! |
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| r_towle |
Jan 27 2014, 11:55 AM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,705 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(Jake Raby @ Jan 27 2014, 08:08 AM) It really doesn't matter to me which oil is used and I would not have even posted if this thread hadn't been sent to me by the owner of one of my engines that saw it. He then wanted to run Rotella, even though it specifically states in my 80 page engine manual NOT to use this oil. I totally agree that you should not let your customers of your engines do anything that would void your guidelines...no question about it. The overall lack of available oil for the rest of the pushrod community, not just aircooled, has sparked quite a bit of debate, and more than a few real world tests on both dyno's and lab results. These facts may support the decision, may not. If I was to buy a custom motor from any engine builder, I would never question what they tell me with regards to upkeep and maintenance....that is what I would have paid for. Certainly the customer that has to rely upon the builder and nothing else, if they are smart. Rich |
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| '73-914kid |
Jan 27 2014, 01:18 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,473 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Vista, CA Member No.: 9,714 Region Association: Southern California  |
Wow, how did this turn into an oil quality debate....?
I was only ranting about the local availability of Brad Penn... I ended up finding a FLAPS that had cases and cases of VR1, so I got that and was able to do my oil change. Thanks for commenting on the oil availability though Jake, it's a bummer they make it such a pain on hobbyists. |
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| vw505 |
Jan 27 2014, 01:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 17-April 03 From: San Antonio, TX , Navy retired Member No.: 579 Region Association: None |
Jake its MIL-PRF-23699 now it changed back in 08.
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| brant |
Jan 27 2014, 01:43 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,949 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains
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diesel oils aren't the solution they used to be
this is a moving target in regards to air cooled engines the oil manufacturers are changing the target regularly.. anything that was good 2 years ago may or may not still work I really don't fully trust the VR1 oils either in fact if you look at actual analysis results... a particular weight of oil has different additives than another weight of the same brand so while a 20/50 from one company might be ok the same companies 10/40 is not be careful out there people Im a HPS fan of the RP I don't really trust any of the big name manufactures at this point rotella, valvolene, etc. |
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