Update 09/12/14 - In Production:, precision stainless steel pushrod tubes |
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Update 09/12/14 - In Production:, precision stainless steel pushrod tubes |
ChrisFoley |
Feb 20 2014, 01:03 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,926 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
I'm working on a prototype set of stainless pushrod tubes.
Advantages: Precision machined heavy duty ends for greatly improved o-ring retention Stop using paste sealants to keep oil from leaking at pr tube seals Lower heat transfer than mild steel Slightly smaller (3/4" od) tubes for better stub pipe clearance without need to dimple the pr tubes Available in custom lengths, longer or shorter Never rust out - never need replacement I'm also considering using separate oil return hoses from both rocker boxes so that the pr tubes no longer have to handle that function. That would allow the smallest possible tubes without the p-rods rubbing. Machining the ends would be simplified, thereby lowering the cost of production. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Your thoughts? Edit 09/12/14: These are in Production. Go to Post #26 for add'l information. |
'73-914kid |
Feb 20 2014, 01:15 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,473 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Vista, CA Member No.: 9,714 Region Association: Southern California |
I wish you would have come out with these back when I still had my -4.....
I love the idea though. When I get another 914 with a -4, I'll buy a set. |
timothy_nd28 |
Feb 20 2014, 01:19 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,299 Joined: 25-September 07 From: IN Member No.: 8,154 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
God yes! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/pray.gif)
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michael7810 |
Feb 20 2014, 01:19 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,081 Joined: 6-June 11 From: Scottsdale, AZ Member No.: 13,164 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I would be interested; especially if you could eliminate those wire thingies that are a PITA whenever I adjust the valves. I can't get my finger past them to feel is the stainless pushrod will spin (zero lash cold but the pushrod should spin is what I'm told to aim for).
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ChrisFoley |
Feb 20 2014, 01:42 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,926 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
... if you could eliminate those wire thingies ... I'm still working on that part. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
Java2570 |
Feb 20 2014, 02:03 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 649 Joined: 7-May 11 From: Fishers, IN Member No.: 13,035 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I'd be interested in that!
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madmax914 |
Feb 20 2014, 03:16 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 204 Joined: 16-February 14 From: Salem, Oregon Member No.: 17,007 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Any estimate of cost? I'm interested.
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ChrisFoley |
Feb 20 2014, 03:58 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,926 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
Any estimate of cost? I'm interested. I haven't done any pricing yet. I made CAD drawings yesterday. My machinist started turning chips from a piece of round bar this afternoon. I got lucky and found a piece of the exact tubing I had in mind, already in my shop. We'll have a full set made up for testing by next week sometime. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
bandjoey |
Feb 20 2014, 04:51 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Sound like a go for me. Appx production time ?
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r_towle |
Feb 20 2014, 07:26 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
I would be up for at least two sets if priced fair.
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Harpo |
Feb 20 2014, 07:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Motor City aka Detroit Member No.: 13,469 Region Association: None |
Interesting (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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mrbubblehead |
Feb 20 2014, 08:55 PM
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Twodollardoug Group: Members Posts: 1,155 Joined: 17-December 10 From: calimesa ca. Member No.: 12,492 Region Association: Southern California |
i would go for two sets, depending on price of coarse.
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McMark |
Feb 21 2014, 01:12 AM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Sounds good!
Add something to ease PR tube removal. Grabbing them with pliers is effective, but damaging. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
ChrisFoley |
Feb 21 2014, 08:04 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,926 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
Add something to ease PR tube removal. Grabbing them with pliers is effective, but damaging. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) What an excellent idea! Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) We're already on it. And the feature will make installation easier as well, since the o-rings will be a little tighter. Now I just have to figure out how to replace the wire bales with something more convenient. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) |
yeahmag |
Feb 21 2014, 03:36 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,421 Joined: 18-April 05 From: Pasadena, CA Member No.: 3,946 Region Association: Southern California |
I've always thought something welded to the valve cover would do the trick. I hate setting my valve lash and spinning the pushrods (for a loose "0") with the wired bales...
Then again, a simple clamp device at the head side of the pushrod tube would also keep it from sliding out. |
ChrisFoley |
Feb 21 2014, 04:22 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,926 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
Here's the first crude prototype.
Installed in our exhaust assembly fixture. The flange is there for easier removal. I'm not sure the flange is necessary. This thing is a lot sturdier than the stock pieces. With just a little motor oil on the o-rings the tube presses in without much difficulty, and the shoulder on the large end may be exposed enough to push against for removal. There's plenty of compression on the o-ring but the correctly shaped groove does an excellent job of supporting it. I've pushed this tube in and out many times already, without being all that careful, and no sign of damage to the o-rings. I was thinking a snap ring on the back side of the head might be suitable for retention, but there are too many engine variations possible. A small change in engine dimension might make that feature unusable. Another idea was safety wire from the flange to the case but there's no good place on the crankcase for all the wires. I also considered some kind of bar screwed to the case which overlaps the edge of all 4 holes at the small end of the tubes. The wire bales will still work with these tubes. Not sure what's best yet. Trying to keep it simple. |
ChrisFoley |
Mar 19 2014, 12:48 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,926 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
We're building a 2.5L track engine right now and the customer doesn't want any oil leaks,
so I've ordered material to make a pilot run. Rather than make them all 3/4" od, part of each set will be 7/8" od. The smaller tubes clear the exhaust stubs better and the larger tubes flow more oil. My materials cost is within $0.05 per tube assembly between the two sizes so this doesn't have any effect on final price. They will be initially priced at $240 per set of 8. Custom lengths will be available for $20 more. |
Matt Romanowski |
Mar 19 2014, 01:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 878 Joined: 4-January 04 From: Manchester, NH Member No.: 1,507 |
Great work! Those look really nice and will be a great upgrade for anyone.
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Harpo |
Mar 19 2014, 05:33 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 21-August 11 From: Motor City aka Detroit Member No.: 13,469 Region Association: None |
Good evening Chris,
Is that $20 additional for the set, or each? BTW they look very nice. Thanks David |
ChrisFoley |
Mar 19 2014, 05:55 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,926 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None |
Good evening Chris, Is that $20 additional for the set, or each? BTW they look very nice. Thanks David for the set (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) They won't be on the shelf, but as long as I keep some of the pieces in stock, unassembled, I can build a custom set without too much trouble. |
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