Bursch Vs. Monza / Header Systems, ...Fitting OBXes, and other header system recommendations... Options

[MikeInMunich]

Hi Guys,

I recently acquired a Bursch over Ebay and have an almost new Monza as well.

The car is a 2.0 with OBX headers.

There are three factors (that I know of) for my consideration:

Looks: Monza wins

Sound: Which one will sound cooler? Please post your opinions!

Performance: Which will offer (slightly) better HP, if either at all? Opinions!

Thanks!

Mike in Munich

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[TheCabinetmaker]

Bursch wins on sound and performance. Monza sounds like a blown out vw muffler.

[r_towle]

Search on grassroots Motorsport magazine.....they did an article many years ago on this question....

It was part of a series they did on building a 914.

Rich

[maf914]

Do a search on this site for Monza. This has been discussed several times. I have had both and prefer the Bursch "Quiet" muffler.

['73-914kid]

How did you get an OBX header to fit on your engine? They're not even close to lining up with the exhaust ports. Also, if you have a header, the Bursch, Monza, or stock mufflers will not fit as they are designed to fit only with the factory heat exchangers.

You need to do more research.

[KENNY]

Bursch wins on sound and performance. Monza sounds like a blown out vw muffler.

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[bdstone914]

Monza are restrictive and heavy. Almost 40 pounds. They only look good. They also have clearance problems with hanging lower and further back. most get smashed on the tips when transitioning from a flat area to an incline.
Bruce

[thelogo]

Hi Guys,

I recently acquired a Bursch over Ebay and have an almost new Monza as well.

The car is a 2.0 with OBX headers.

There are three factors (that I know of) for my consideration:

Looks: Monza wins

Sound: Which one will sound cooler? Please post your opinions!

Performance: Which will offer (slightly) better HP, if either at all? Opinions!

Thanks!

Mike in Munich (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving-girl.gif)
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Not to hijack this thread , but can any one here
Speak knowledgeable y about Prsches.tuning the sound of the car by using a specific.
Muffler arrangement .. like can I go get some random cherry bomb an weld it in there and
It will sound like a rice / pasta rocket???

Is it possible to quote tune the sound ??? Even with a 1.7-.8 ./ 2.0

[Cap'n Krusty]

Monza wins on looks? WRONG! They even LOOK heavy. What you want is a Triad. Monzas have ALWAYS been junk. By always, I mean since they first appeared on the market back in the '70s.

The Cap'n

[SirAndy]

with OBX headers

This has me worried ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[MikeInMunich]

You guys are awesome. Owning a 914 is definitely A LOT more enjoyable thanks to this forum! Just wanna get that in here first. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience.

@ '73 914 Kid... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Not sure about that. Will have to get back to you. We may have, uh, (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) made a mistake. Not sure if they are on the car yet or not. I am in Munich, the car is in Sun Valley, CA.

@ Sir Andy, thanks for your concern. I'll let y'all know what's up, but I already now know the Monza will be coming over here in the trunk. One sold on EBay here recently for 500...possibly €...don't remember exactly but it was at least $500.

As for the headers purchase / application, I should know and post later today. I know the guy working on PR II in SoCal knows his stuff and I wouldn't bet that he's made a mistake on the headers '73 914 Kid but thanks for the heads up. Will research and confirm. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/type.gif)

M.i.M.

[Maltese Falcon]

How did you get an OBX header to fit on your engine? They're not even close to lining up with the exhaust ports. Also, if you have a header, the Bursch, Monza, or stock mufflers will not fit as they are designed to fit only with the factory heat exchangers.

You need to do more research.

+ 1 on that note !
factor #4, the obx 4 into 1 (counterfeit copy) exhaust header does in fact terminate into a single 3 bolt , 2.5" flanged collector, totally not compatible with any brand muffler that interconnects to the Type 4 HB's.
Mike, congrats on getting that obx on your engine, you are one of the rare few !
If you plan to keep that header on the 2.0, mate it to a decent 2.5" i.d. high flow muffler.
Marty

[MikeInMunich]

Thanks for that input Marty. I will let you, too, know what's up. If Ed in Sun Valley did indeed "get" something on where others may have failed, only he deserves the credit. I'm damm curious now myself, but Ed's sleeping right now...

[somd914]

Monza for $500, is that how I read that? If so, they can be had new for less than $400 stateside.

Given the choice, I too would go Triad for performance and sound reasons, followed by Bursch. To me the Italian quad tips look at home on something like a Ferrari 308 but not a 914, and to me the sound is bland.

However, no matter, you really won't notice much in the way of performance gains/losses either way. There will likely be those who say otherwise, but even if you gain a few ponies, you won't notice it in my opinion. But the sound coming from the exhaust can certainly add pleasure to the experience and can even lull you into a sense of increased performance.

[MikeInMunich]

Monza for $500, is that how I read that? If so, they can be had new for less than $400 stateside.

Given the choice, I too would go Triad for performance and sound reasons, followed by Bursch. To me the Italian quad tips look at home on something like a Ferrari 308 but not a 914, and to me the sound is bland.

However, no matter, you really won't notice much in the way of performance gains/losses either way. There will likely be those who say otherwise, but even if you gain a few ponies, you won't notice it in my opinion. But the sound coming from the exhaust can certainly add pleasure to the experience and can even lull you into a sense of increased performance.

I got the Monza, as well as another, over the forum or 914Club or The Samba, both for $150. One is almost new. They sell for a lot more over here so stuff like that in the trunk helps cover the shipping cost.

This is NOS, but still, listed at over $700... http://www.ebay.de/itm/DIE-LETZTE-VW-Porsc...d-/390781653516

Thanks for your feedback. I will update...

[ben*james]

Triad is the way to go. My 2.0 had a monza when I bought it. Later replaced with a triad and much for what I considered a huge upgrade.

Oh....btw, you need to post some pictures (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[MikeInMunich]

Triad is the way to go. My 2.0 had a monza when I bought it. Later replaced with a triad and much for what I considered a huge upgrade.

Oh....btw, you need to post some pictures (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I will post some photos very soon.

Maybe I should go for this!

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=231076

[bandjoey]

For a stock car don't forget the neglected stock muffler.

[MikeInMunich]

For a stock car don't forget the neglected stock muffler.

@ risk of perhaps sounding dumb, uh...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) I don't get your comment. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

[Dave_Darling]

He is saying that a stock "sausage" muffler is a pretty good option. Especially if your car is somewhat close to stock. And a lot of people don't even seem to consider it.

--DD