Bursch Vs. Monza / Header Systems, ...Fitting OBXes, and other header system recommendations... Options

[boxsterfan]

I have the Triad. It is awesome because it sets off overly sensitive car alarms in parking lots on occasion. Regardless, the dual pipes out the back are much more subtle than the Monza and much cleaner look IMHO. My motor is stock 2.0L D-Jet.

[LotusJoe]

Triad

[AndyB]

Triad is the way to go. My 2.0 had a monza when I bought it. Later replaced with a triad and much for what I considered a huge upgrade.

Oh....btw, you need to post some pictures (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I will post some photos very soon.

Maybe I should go for this!

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=231076

Notice he is Upgrading to a tangerine header and an EVO II.

[Alphaogre]

I like the sound and look of the Triad... I like when he 1.7 - 2.0's have the more hollow sound of the 6 motor...

[MikeInMunich]

Thanks for the clarification Dave.

The suggestion regarding stock is, indeed, quite the novel idea. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)

Sadly, this project is a combination of not quite worth it / not in the budget for a $2,000+ (optimal?) Tangerine solution, unless I could get one of their lovely systems for less... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Would like to be posting those photos this morning but uncharactaristically didn't get a reply from Sun Valley yesterday.


M.i.M.

[mepstein]

Stock he's and stock muffler sound boring but work really well. I once had carbs and a monza and didn't like driving over 2 hours because of the noise.

I took the bursch muffler off my 1.7 and replaced it with stock and I'm very happy with the result.

[MikeInMunich]

How did you get an OBX header to fit on your engine? They're not even close to lining up with the exhaust ports. Also, if you have a header, the Bursch, Monza, or stock mufflers will not fit as they are designed to fit only with the factory heat exchangers.

You need to do more research.

I thought this was going to be the case...the answer to your question, I reckon, is that it is not a 2.0 case. It's a 1.8 bored to 2.0. The headers are not on the car yet. Ed in Sun Valley is expecting it to not be a problem at all. Naturally I hope he is right. I will update and inform. If a mod is necessary he will most likely solve the problem and I will post photos.

M.i.M.

[Johny Blackstain]

I use the Bursch myself, never noticed a performance difference over the stock Dansk muffler (a.k.a. the banana), but it does sound better to me & is definitely much lighter than stock.

['73-914kid]

How did you get an OBX header to fit on your engine? They're not even close to lining up with the exhaust ports. Also, if you have a header, the Bursch, Monza, or stock mufflers will not fit as they are designed to fit only with the factory heat exchangers.

You need to do more research.

I thought this was going to be the case...the answer to your question, I reckon, is that it is not a 2.0 case. It's a 1.8 bored to 2.0. The headers are not on the car yet. Ed in Sun Valley is expecting it to not be a problem at all. Naturally I hope he is right. I will update and inform. If a mod is necessary he will most likely solve the problem and I will post photos.

M.i.M.

1.8, 1.7, 2.0L, it won't matter. The OBX header was copied off of a header that was not intended to ever fit a T4 engine. It's a cheap chinese copy, and the only way to make it fit is to cut the header up and weld on custom stub pipes that a few Type 4 parts sellers have available. I only know of one person who succesfuly got the header onto their car, and that was after they welded on flanges for stub pipes and stub pipes were installed.

It's going to take cutting and welding, no doubt about that.

Read this:
OBX header thread

[SirAndy]

It's going to take cutting and welding, no doubt about that.

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[MikeInMunich]

I haven't spoken with Ed about it, but I reckon he would simply agree and say something like, "yeah. So?" That's not anything that would intimidate him much at all. It's not only right up his alley, but I think he actually enjoys such "challenges". I am, indeed, quite curious myself, as I am sure you guys are too, and I do hope we will be in the minority having experienced success with this endeavor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ar15.gif)

Looking forward to updating y'all when he is done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)

Love these emoticons.

M.i.M.

Update:

From email with Ed....

"I installed a set of headers a couple years ago that used the stub pipes. We'll see if the current headers will fit in the ports well enough to work. It looks like they will. I anticipated a bit of fitting to install them. bitchbitchbitch, Not for the faint of heart."

[VaccaRabite]

The will work so long as he cuts off at least 3 of the 4 ports and welds in new pipe to fit.

Zach

[MikeInMunich]

Update:

From Ed: "Apparently the manufacturer did not use a jig when they welded these things up. At a minimum, jig hold points are required on each end of the batch of tubes. So they missed it on #4 cylinder by maybe 10 degrees. I will cut the tube at the weld near the head and clock it around to line it up. Not too difficult really. Will check if the shift rod still works through it all. I have two engines, so I can fit before the final install on your engine. I would say they charged too much for this set, especially when I see the price for the subaru ej20-25 headers are as low as $120 shipped.

If I do this again, I may buy the sube set and mod it to fit the 914."

[MikeInMunich]

...and another photo...


Should work out well. What I think we have learned is that OBX supplies MATERIAL (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif) for the job, but not a plug and play product. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

So, as Mr. Brady put it and added to our vocabulary when we were kids (some of y'all not having been born yet of course, so if you don't get the reference, go to YT and search for it with "Brady" in case yer interested) caveat emptor; if yer not gonna be able or willing to mod (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif) the "material", I would recommend going with the (more expensive) Triad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

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Mike in Munich

[MikeInMunich]

Kerry Hunter has a header system that looks to me to be better than the OBX (I know, not saying much there), for a pretty decent price.

http://www.kerryhunterenterprise.com/914-4.htm

M.i.M.

[MikeInMunich]

Done:



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All credit goes to Ed, naturally.

Y'all were right, but he mastered the challenge.

M.i.M. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

['73-914kid]

Wow, that actually came out pretty well..

Mind asking Mike how many hours it took him to weld that up? For the price of the header itself, it may be worth the time simply cut and weld it. I think I only see 3 or 4 places where he had to cut and rotate..

[Maltese Falcon]

Hey Mike if you expect those welds to pass the T.U.V. you might need to give the inspector some extra € on the side (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)
Marty

[MikeInMunich]

Hey Mike if you expect those welds to pass the T.U.V. you might need to give the inspector some extra € on the side (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welder.gif)
Marty

Hi Marty,

that thought never occurred to me whatsoever. I personally doubt that it will be an issue and cannot imagine why it should be. Apparently you think the quality of the welds is questionable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

Do you have experience with TUV? On something like this?

No matter what, I will have an independent inspector that is recommended to me inspecting the car, not TUV necessarily. TUV (itself) is not the only option (any more).

I am not concerned about it.

M.i.M.

[edwin]

Not to steal this thread but do you actually sell your headers Marty or just leave that up to AA? I'd love more options for headers but so far tangerine are the only option that will ship to Aus. Just too pricey for my taste