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> OH NO!!!!!, Damaged engine parts from shipping
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post Jan 7 2005, 07:50 PM
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My 2.0L parts showed up today in the mail with some damage on them. I'm most concerned about the bottom of cyl #4 which has a chip missing from the bottom of the collar that slides into the case.

There are numerous cooling fins missing from cyl 3 and 4 but I'm not as concerned about those fins missing. But cyl 4 does have a significant number of them missing.

Any thoughts?

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post Jan 7 2005, 07:55 PM
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I hate to be the barer of bad news, but 1 broken fin = need to be replaced according to the factory specs. Those cylinders are now useless. They look used, were they? I may have two used ones that I could give you in y shack, but I am not going into it untill Tues when the rain stops (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/dry.gif) I hope.
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post Jan 7 2005, 07:59 PM
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I remember Jake had some rule about how many fins he would allow to be missing, maybe do a search or ask over at the STF board.

The cylinder with the broken skirt is definitely a paperweight now.
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post Jan 7 2005, 09:03 PM
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1 fin per PAIR of cylinders..

THAT CYLINDER WITH THE BROKEN SKIRT SHOULD NOT BE USED..

plus those are low CR Bus pistons..
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post Jan 8 2005, 01:45 PM
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Egad! I used all the bubble wrap I could find! I'm really sorry about that.. They must have dropped that package a considerable distance to do that kind of damage.. Are the rods ok?

I'm really sorry about this... Let me know what you want me to do to make this right.
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post Jan 8 2005, 03:40 PM
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Who was the shipper???? Assholes at UPS or the other assholes at (pick one)?

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post Jan 8 2005, 05:03 PM
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It was fedex.. BTW, shipping international fedex ground is a pain.. you have to sign up for an account, and print labels online in order to drop it at a fedex store.

I had thought that only UPS requires packaging that could pass the drop kick test, but I guess I was wrong. Who the heck drops a 42 pound package? It would have taken reams of bubblewrep and foam to protect it from that.. perhaps I should have sent each cylinder in a separate box.
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post Jan 8 2005, 05:25 PM
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I think these shippers have something against us 914s.

Sorry to see that.

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post Jan 8 2005, 05:33 PM
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Royce I bought a three set of new MAHLE pistons and barrels, I will look to see if they are for a 2.0. Included in a bunch of parts that i bought.Like I need more parts.
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post Jan 8 2005, 07:06 PM
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You should have had me take them up as I was just up to Victoria. Yes, if you pack a 42lb package they are going to drop it! "Uh, this is heavy" splat...
Pack them separate or in a wood box.

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post Jan 9 2005, 02:25 PM
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I've spoken with two experts in town about the damaged cylinders. Both agree that I should be able to still use the cylinders. That number 4 is a little scetchy since it has a number of fin corners missing.

However I'm not exactly in Arizona here in Victoria BC Canada and it stays quite mild here all year round.

The chip out of the bottom of #4 also is not of any concern, because the notch it is out of is only for crank clearance and that skirt also plays no role in the seating or sealing of the cylinder.

So I "should" be able to get away with it.

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post Jan 9 2005, 03:11 PM
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Yikes, are you sure you want to do that? I know you said this engine is just a placeholder, but you never know how long you'll need a placeholder (I'm still driving my placeholder 914 that I expected to have sold a long time ago) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/html/emoticons/smile.gif) Also, when Jake says the one with the broken skirt shouldn't be used, he must have a reason. If you can wait, I can replace them.. but if you're in a hurry and you're sure you want to use those, I guess you should. I'd just hate to be the one that caused the demise of your engine.
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post Jan 9 2005, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE (bondo @ Jan 8 2005, 03:03 PM)
It was fedex.. BTW, shipping international fedex ground is a pain.. you have to sign up for an account, and print labels online in order to drop it at a fedex store.

I had thought that only UPS requires packaging that could pass the drop kick test, but I guess I was wrong. Who the heck drops a 42 pound package? It would have taken reams of bubblewrep and foam to protect it from that.. perhaps I should have sent each cylinder in a separate box.

Three foot rule, which means the contents should be packed to survive a three foot drop. This is the avg height of the conveyors at most package facilities.

Whoever packed the p/c's didn't do it right. Bubble wrap isn't a good choice for heavy metal parts.

We wrap them in cardboard at least two thickness, and then pad the box with at least two layers of cardboard on the inside.
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post Jan 9 2005, 06:01 PM
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Well I may not need the parts after all! Just getting the motor broken down and I've descovered it has what seems to be 96.5mm bores on it. The bores I recieved are 95mm.

So I need to do some research and see which size bores came on the 2.0L cars. Does anyone reading this know?

I still have to measure up the cranks and see if there is any differences.

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post Jan 9 2005, 06:13 PM
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Pay more attention to the piston size as they are engraved on the tops. The cylinders will be wider by a bit. 2.0 were 94mm. I think that 96mm were typicaly 2056cc, IIRC.
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post Jan 9 2005, 06:27 PM
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94mm stock 2L
93mm stock 1.8

96 are aftermarket that turn 1.7/1.8 into a 1.9
and turn a 2.0 into a 2056
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post Jan 9 2005, 07:20 PM
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Check the height of the pin through the piston.. I think I remember the placement is different for pistons used with a longer stroke crank. It would be good news indeed if you are able to build a 2056 instead of a 2.0. Did you measure the stroke of the old crank?
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post Jan 10 2005, 07:27 AM
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The one with the broken skirt probably has a crack that may not be seen till vibration and heat take their toll....

DO NOT USE IT

I am speaking from experience.

If that crack starts, it won't stop till you have a two piece cylinder.

Not to mention the fact that if you take it out to a 96mm bore and use that cylinder that the hone will probably bust the cylinder when it hits the skirt anyway.
Do the damn thing right.
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